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Prince Harry reveals that he killed 25 people in Afghanistan. He did not think of the 25 as ‘people’ but as ‘chess pieces’

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rumship · 05/01/2023 15:41

Of all the idiotic and stupid things to say this has to be his worst yet. I have some close members of my family in the forces and none of them ever discusses whom they may have killed in conflict, no matter the circumstances.

This is a massive no no. I honestly believe he has crossed the line on so many levels now. Next time he cries about his security he needs to have a long hard think after this.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/01/05/prince-harry-military-army-afghanistan-killed-25-spare-sussex/

I'm in awe at his stupidity now 😳

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Ineedwinenow · 05/01/2023 15:54

That’s himself and his family who are now targets!! Well done Harry! Better beef up the security!!!

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 05/01/2023 15:56

He says: “So my number is 25. It’s not a number that fills me with satisfaction, but nor does it embarrass me.”
Oh dear Harry...

It goes on to say in the article that he is already a target for terrorists and this is likely to increase because of his statements in the book.

Jackiewoo · 05/01/2023 15:56

disgusting. military never talk publicly about this. war is hell, people kill and are killed, we all know that.

for someone so paranoid about security the only reason for him to do this seems to be to up the threat level, so he has a stronger case to get his taxpayer and IPP funded security back.

CaroleFuckingBaskin · 05/01/2023 15:57

Why say it then?

ShirleyPhallus · 05/01/2023 15:57

Ostryga · 05/01/2023 15:54

No, he trained and worked like everyone else. Has seen and done worse things than you I’m sure. And now he can’t even talk about it because people like you spend all their time going to town on him. Get a fucking hobby. Why don’t you join the army?

What an odd post. Of course you can criticise someone for talking about their kill count without the answer being to join the army yourself.

You have absolutely no idea what my military connections are. Perhaps you should get a hobby yourself instead of being so sour about an absolute stranger.

CaroleFuckingBaskin · 05/01/2023 15:58

He really needs to get on a bus to twatsville and stay there

rumship · 05/01/2023 15:58

@Miriam101 Here it is for you.

Prince Harry has disclosed that he killed 25 people in his role as an Apache helicopter pilot during his second tour of duty in Afghanistan.
In his autobiography, Spare, the Duke of Sussex says he flew on six missions that resulted in “the taking of human lives”, something of which he says he is neither proud nor ashamed.
He says that, in the heat of combat, he did not think of the 25 as “people” but instead as “chess pieces” that had been taken off the board.
It is the first time the Prince, 38, has discussed the number of Taliban fighters he killed during his military service, and is likely to increase concern about his personal safety.
The Prince has long been regarded as a terrorist target not only because of his royal status but also because of his two deployments to Afghanistan, which have made him a target for Islamist terrorist groups.
Last year he took legal action over the Home Office’s decision not to provide full police protection for him and his family when visiting the UK.

His barrister said he “does not feel safe” when he is in the UK, having lost his taxpayer-funded security when he and his wife gave up royal duties.
His autobiography is due for publication on Jan 10 but has already gone on sale in Spain, where The Telegraph bought a Spanish language copy from a bookshop.
Prince Harry during his deployment to Afghanistan in 2008

Writing about his time in Afghanistan, the Prince describes watching video of each “kill” when he returned to base, as a nose-mounted video camera on his Apache helicopter recorded each mission in full.
He says that in the “din and confusion of combat” he saw the insurgents he killed as “baddies eliminated before they could kill goodies”. It is not possible to kill someone “if you see them as a person”, he says, but the Army had “trained me to ‘other’ them, and they had trained me well.”
He adds: “I made it my purpose, from day one, to never go to bed with any doubt whether I had done the right thing…whether I had shot at Taliban and only Taliban, without civilians in the vicinity. I wanted to return to Great Britain with all my limbs, but more than that I wanted to get home with my conscience intact.”
He says that, in war, soldiers do not usually know how many enemies they have killed, but “in the era of Apaches and laptops” he was able to say “with exactness how many enemy combatants I had killed. And it seemed to me essential not to be afraid of that number.
“So my number is 25. It’s not a number that fills me with satisfaction, but nor does it embarrass me.”
Part of his reason for feeling no guilt about taking lives, he says, is that he never forgot being in the TV room at Eton, watching news coverage of the 9/11 attacks on New York. He later met the families of victims of the attacks on visits to America.
He describes those responsible for the attacks, and their sympathisers, as “enemies of humanity”, and says fighting them was an act of vengeance for one of the worst crimes in human history.
He writes that the only shots he thought twice about were the ones he had not taken, and in particular being unable to help his Gurkha “brothers” on an occasion when they were under fire from the Taliban and a communications failure meant he was not able to help them.
He complains about military bureaucracy, detailing an occasion when he witnessed around 30 Taliban blow up a lorry and was denied permission to fire on the enemy.
The Prince was deployed as a forward air controller in Helmand province during his first tour of duty in 2007/08, which was cut short when foreign news organisations breached a news blackout that had been agreed with the British media.

In 2012, after learning to fly Apache helicopters, he was deployed to Camp Bastion in southern Afghanistan with the Army Air Corps, staying for 20 weeks. He said at the time that killing insurgents was part of his job, and that “we fire when we have to, take a life to save a life”.
The Taliban said at the time that it had told its commanders in Helmand “to do whatever they can to eliminate him”.
Security experts have said the Prince remains a top target for terrorists because of his military service, and the fact that he has chosen to reveal his personal tally is likely to increase those fears.
Writing about his military training, he reveals that he suffered from trenchfoot during an exercise in Wales when he slept in the open and was caught in a downpour.
“I noticed that my feet were burning”, he writes. “I sat on the floor, took off my right boot and sock and saw that the sole of my foot was raw.”
Another soldier told him he would not be able to carry on, and he went to a medical station where he was told he would have to pull out of the march, which left him “dejected, although I’ll admit also relieved”.
His sergeant, however, told him he should push on, so he taped up his feet and took “among the most difficult steps I have ever taken on this planet” to get to the finish.

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CaroleFuckingBaskin · 05/01/2023 15:59

And he's worried about the press?,??

Loachworks · 05/01/2023 15:59

I knew he was a bit dim but talk about stupid! I wonder if Netflix want a refund because it seems he saved all the batshit for 'Spare.'

bakalava · 05/01/2023 16:01

Harry is foolish but he is not as evil as that made him sound but yes, he needs to own it. Like Uncle Andrew, he was completely unsuitable for military service and was only allowed in as a mascot to keep the RF sweet.

EncyclopediaOfNought · 05/01/2023 16:02

I’m rather shocked, as someone who knows many ex-military people who’ve been in direct combat. You have to do it, but to later count them and dehumanise them is fucked up. Most people I know have an understanding that war is dirty and people must survive in the middle of it, but both sides are people.

Ostryga · 05/01/2023 16:03

ShirleyPhallus · 05/01/2023 15:57

What an odd post. Of course you can criticise someone for talking about their kill count without the answer being to join the army yourself.

You have absolutely no idea what my military connections are. Perhaps you should get a hobby yourself instead of being so sour about an absolute stranger.

Being sour about a stranger? Like Prince Harry then. You couldn’t make it up.

Yes yes I’m sure your army credentials are absolutely heroic and wonderful.

Ladybug14 · 05/01/2023 16:04

Both H and M 🤣 come across as more and more batshit with each piece I read.

Want privacy
Go public
Want security
Talk about killings accomplished 😪
Want re engagement with family
Go public about private family happenings

They are both nuts

bakalava · 05/01/2023 16:05

A little water clears us of this deed.

SophiaLarsen · 05/01/2023 16:07

Veteran here. We're not 'trained' to regard the enemy as not human. It does annoy me when people think military folk are robots and psychologically trained to subvert emotional responses.

Also, there are huge efforts taken to ensure damage and lethality is kept to minimum force. In Afghanistan that damage was not just human life but also livelihoods. Rules of engagement for Brits were really really strict.

Also, the only time I've ever seen someone count their victims was an RAF fast jet weapons systems officer who started calculating it 10 years after his last combat missions as he was suffering from PTSD.

It got me thinking that perhaps Prince Harry has PTSD not just from combat but also from his childhood (unsurprisingly).

Beees · 05/01/2023 16:08

Oh I clicked on this thinking it was a joke post. Is this serious? Bloody hell.

Same. I honestly thought it was a piss take thread based on all the other threads that have been made today on the information that has been translated from the book.

Honestly the fact he included it and worded it in that way is just vile.

Georgeskitchen · 05/01/2023 16:08

Let us not forget that the Taliban took the lives of over 400 of our British service men/women during the Afghanistan campaign

Just saying........

Newnamefor23 · 05/01/2023 16:09

I think Harry’s life, family and experiences have left him somewhat troubled - as they would anyone.

Does he need help? I’m not qualified to say yes or no.

Is he taking PR lessons from his Uncle? - looks likely.

bakalava · 05/01/2023 16:10

Like Uncle Andrew and his Falklands sweating - another fake military career. I hope Harry doesn't end up using Pizza Express in Woking as an alibi in ten years time.

wickerhearth · 05/01/2023 16:10

NowDoYouBelieveMe · 05/01/2023 15:47

Isn't that what soldiers are paid to do? Go into other people's lands and kill them?

I'm more offended by that fact, than by one soldier's honesty.

Exactly this.

MaverickGooseGoose · 05/01/2023 16:10

I think he is very very damaged, someone is controlling this shit show and I dont think it's him. I don't think it's MM either but they are getting some very bad advice from somewhere.

AreOttersJustWetCats · 05/01/2023 16:11

LadyKenya · 05/01/2023 15:51

Does anybody honestly think that those being trained for combat are taught to think of the 'enemy' as people, the same as them?

Yes, what do people expect? I'm more offended by the (sometimes illegal) wars we get involved in than I am by how individual soldiers cope with what they're told to do.

Hintofreality · 05/01/2023 16:11

That was his job, he was trained to think of the that way to protect his own well-being. It’s kill or be killed and that mentality is how you survive it.

He’a just being honest.

bakalava · 05/01/2023 16:12

MM was the honeytrap to get him on board and she has been handsomely rewarded. The puppet masters are the bigwigs, It is well known.

ShamedBySiri · 05/01/2023 16:13

Not army so obviously no inside knowledge. I'm gobsmacked by this. It seems an incredibly unwise statement from a security point of view and also presumably he is subject to the official secrets act in the same way any other member of the forces would be. He might trigger some investigation into army activities etc after this.

I read a book by an army officer who is now a lawyer "The Junior Officers Reading Club" by Patrick Hennessy who did yours in Afghanistan and Iraq.

He talks about "good scraps" and injured colleagues. But I'm pretty sure there isn't a single mention of numbers killed by him or his colleagues. Presumably because it's not the done thing for a multitude of good reasons.

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