Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

[TheShellBeach]

As per the thread title.

Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything.

Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

Meghan Markle is effectively claimed that the Royal Family was racist in relation to her son and the titles/security issue.

Oprah: You certainly must have had some conversations with Harry about it and have your own suspicions as to why they didn’t want to make Archie a prince. What are . . .  what are those thoughts? Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s because of his race?

Meghan: (Sighs)

Oprah: And I know that’s a loaded question, but . . . 

Meghan: But I can give you an honest answer. In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time . . .  so we have in tandem the conversation of ‘He won’t be given security, he’s not going to be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.

Shortly before this bit, Meghan claimed that during her pregnancy first time round "they wanted to change the convention for Archie".

It's not too difficult to find the actual Letters Patent that deals with this convention. Here's what it says:

"Now Know Ye that We of our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do hereby declare our Royal Will and Pleasure that the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour."

In other words, the Monarch's children will carry Prince/Princess titles. It further states that the sons of the Monarch can also give their own children said titles.

Finally, it states that the eldest living son of the Prince of Wales' children will also have these titles.

This convention goes back to 1917 and the Queen's father.

So, it was always going to be the case that Prince Harry's children would not have the Prince and Princess titles during the Queen's reign.

Lastly, it also states:

"Our Royal Will and Pleasure that the grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line (save only the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes of these Our Realms."

Archie can inherit Harry's titles of Duke of Sussex (England), Earl of Dumbarton (Scotland) and Barony of Kilkeel (Northern Ireland).

As Prince, Harry knows all of this very well which raises questions about why he didn't bother to correct this one. After all, Meghan is alleging Archie was denied the Royal title of Prince due to racism.

And that's far from the case as the Letters Patent shows.

Since Harry and Meghan left out the crucial details around Royal titles, it makes you think what else are they hiding?

The only reason for this documentary/book(s) is $$$$$$$.

If they are happy to have escaped, and they seem to have a fantastic life now, why bother? It seems so grubby to monetise the whole sorry affair, instead of just moving on.

If they had genuinely-held grievances, these could have been aired through more serious channels than Oprah and Netflix. And for no payment.

I don't think they are lying. They are telling what they see as the truth.

The only reason for this documentary/book(s) is $$$$$$$

Everyone needs money, and they can hardly go down the local job centre, can they?

Seems like royals can wear similar colours to each other. See this evening for example and also this pic.

They're not exactly hard up.

“They are telling what they see as the truth”
Not the truth, then?

@Pemba what does one of you mean

They’re not hard up because they’ve made the media deals. They also have higher outgoings than most of us (disregarding their choice of home, Hermes blankets etc, which are all choices), what with the need for private security against death threats, etc. I’d be monetising my story for all it’s worth too if I had half the hate Meghan does.

@Nolosomi that in your basic life you have taken time to comment on

Are all these threads further RF plants…. It’s all very suspicious!

@healthadvice123 ooh very clever 👏

Meghan Markle also claimed:

"....the first member of colour in this family isn't being titled in the same way as other grandchildren would be."

Obviously claiming racism there.

On the contrary, Archie is really treated no differently to the Queen's grandchildren who aren't entitled to the Prince and Princess style.

Zara Tindall and Peter Phillips, for example, don't have this style. Zara is the Queen's eldest grandchild, by the way.

Furthermore, Prince Edward's children are NOT styled as Prince and Princess despite the Letters Patent of 1917. They are styled as children of the Earl - not HRH Prince and Princess.

Edward's children are the first to have the double barrelled Mountbatten-Windsor name.

Harry and Meghan's son, Archie, is treated in the exact same way as Edward's children AND he carries the same double barrelled surname as they do.

Here again, Meghan's implied claim of racism doesn't stand up. And that does cast enough doubt on their other claim of racism regarding a senior Royal whose identity they say they have no intention of disclosing.

Of course, Meghan incorrectly referred to Archie as one of the Queen's grandchildren. He was a great-grandson of the late Queen since his father, Harry was her grandson.

I believe that to be the case too. They just see everything through a distorted lens based on their persecution complex. It’s really quite sad.

The TRUTH has come out. It's refreshing to hear.

I believe episode 4... if only Meghan was given the time and chance... she would've won over lots of people.... some people felt threatened by her .... plain and simple. And Harry was the spare... no need to protect him and his little family. They were perfect to throw under the bus.

They weren’t hard up anyway! He inherited millions from his Mother and no doubt loads more from both his grandparents. Charles also supported him for months when they were in Canada.

I believe that to be the case too. They just see everything through a distorted lens based on their persecution complex. It’s really quite sad.

I guess they just made up the racist headlines. Or falsely relayed their experiences about plans being leaked.

They were the ones being persecuted, but it's easier for people to believe the opposite.

Just typical.

The racist headlines were very few and confined to the tabloids. That doesn’t make it OK, but the coverage was overwhelmingly positive at the beginning. Camilla has had far worse and Kate was given a hard time too.

I agree with you, OP.

Not a single one of these examples are lies. People can have their own perspective on their own lives for goodness sake.

Bike rides: I assume he's much more free to just go and do things like this with Archie and be spontaneous and a hands-on parent.

Wedding: a lot of people have more than one ceremony. The private one she mentioned was obviously not the legal one but so what, it was obviously significant to them and felt like the moment they made that marriage commitment.

Security: Harry is absolutely right, he did inherit the risk by being born to the heir to the throne. And we know there were threats against Meghan. He is obviously protective and felt the risks to them is high enough to warrant security. Fair enough, he's being protective. If Diana had had her royal protection officers she would never have died in that crash.

Passport: you've confirmed that what Meghan said was true. It's a shame you lack the imagination to understand that that must have felt very strange for a woman in her late thirties used to being completely independent. Travel arrangements would have all been made by staff at the palace.

Think about what you're saying....'very few....confined to the tabloids'  It should never happen, it's never ok, and shouldn't be excused because you consider it only a little bit racist.

It's fucking appalling that in 2022 we are still not completely comfortable with condemning this shit. I don't care if it was a 2inch column on the 10th page of a tabloid, it's abhorrent that any racism is tolerated in national newspapers.

Just. Don't. Watch. It. Problem. Solved. 🤷🏻‍♀️

And its not just racism but hiw misogynistic are the press, constantly dragging down women, with meghan saying she forced Harry to leave, she is causing drama etc. All those nasty misogynistic terms splashed across headlines to put a woman in her place.

It's so depressing that women talk like this about other women. The call is coming from inside the house.