Page 4 | Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 15/12/2022 19:38

I think the truth will be somewhere down the middle. People will look at things from their own perspective and I guess this is theirs. I actually think Harry comes across as worse than Megan in this documentary. He’s very bitter and sarcastic. I do think if they want privacy, they shouldn’t keep on throwing themselves into the limelight though.

Wiccan · 15/12/2022 19:51

Get on with your life and stop the hate !

Shesasuperfreak · 15/12/2022 19:52

I believe Harry and Megan and almost cried watching the show today. They are exposing the truth

aSofaNearYou · 15/12/2022 19:52

userxx · 15/12/2022 19:17

@aSofaNearYou It doesn't bother me in the slightest that they have a documentary, why would it ? I won't be watching so it makes absolutely no difference to me.

People who weren't bothered would not feel the need to "want them to shut up" as OP does. You're talking to someone who quite clearly gives a shit about them, to say nobody gives a shit about them.

TheFairyCaravan · 15/12/2022 19:58

Unsure33 · 15/12/2022 19:21

Yes they did . There is literally a film of Harry saying it . What they meant was they wanted to control their privacy and release what ever they wanted.

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Where?

Tillsforthrills · 15/12/2022 19:59

TheShellBeach · 15/12/2022 17:47

As per the thread title.

Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything.

Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

More like manipulation of the truth.

RosettaStormer · 15/12/2022 20:01

ThighMistress · 15/12/2022 19:02

I find it a bit that there was all this filming, right from the off. No wonder the rf were a bit wary of her. We are only seeing now that everything was being documented, but courtiers/staff would have observed and raised their concerns.

I did see something an aeon ago that M had been taking pics/recording in Anmer Hall and Kate was very displeased.

I wondered if the reference to being told not to send photos by text to her friends was referencing that. Why would she have imagined that taking photos of private family stuff within the RF would be perfectly fine to be shared with her friends? If that is what it was.
They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering. No insights into how others might have viewed them, except in a negative context. Nothing positive about any member of the RF bar the Queen, and only I suspect because they knew she was off limits. Just endless focus on their Great Love Story and their Tribulations. Tiresome and egotistical.

I notice many of the contentious issues were completely airbrushed out. The supposed bullying of staff, the demands they made on staff round the clock, their bad temper and demanding manner. Tiara gate. The 'forgetting' of vital information in the court case. The insistence that Finding Freedom did not use source material from them, when it clearly did. The claims that they were already married before the ceremony in public. Interesting that they didn't address any of this. How incredibly naive Harry was to think he would be provided Met protection for life in a foreign country. Just jaw dropping really.

They seem to have a lovely life now, gambolling in their beautiful gardens, going to the beach (why aren't they worried about Paps hiding out there?), playing games and lounging around. Really, they are incredibly fortunate. Neither of them has a job and they are set for life now with the enormous sums Netflix has paid them for essentially home movie footage. They wouldn't have had any of that without Harry's Royal connections. Yet there is not an ounce of gratitude, just endlessly painting themselves as Victims.

The press harassment was dreadful, but not motivated by racism I believe, in the main. Of course there are some deranged and dangerous loonies out there for whom race is an issue, but I think class and social expectations were at the root of a lot of the criticism, and Meghan often came across badly. Barging in front of Harry at public events, interrupting him, constantly drawing attention to herself at every opportunity. It grated. I think she is a total mismatch for the RF and Harry was obviously just looking for an exit from the whole shebang. They have got what they wanted now and good luck to them. I do think that one of these days it will hit home for Harry that he's jettisoned virtually his whole family and there will never be a way back. At the moment they are still in a phase of euphoria and excitement about their new life. Five or ten years down the line when they have nothing else to sell, and their children don't know their extended family, the regret may begin to set in.

YellowAndGreenToBeSeen · 15/12/2022 20:03

I REALLY like them and think they’ve got a pretty bloody amazing set up. Good for them!

pelargoniums · 15/12/2022 20:05

They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering.
I for one was shocked that a documentary series about Harry and Meghan entitled Harry and Meghan was about Harry and Meghan. All of it! The nerve!

MadameDe · 15/12/2022 20:06

I don't mind Meghan but then I've always hated the media. I don't really understand why people think they know what kind of person she is.

The ones I'm really not sure about are Princess Perfect Kate and Wills. They're just so perfect it's unnerving. Really they have the media eating out of their hands. Just how?

fartichoke · 15/12/2022 20:07

With all the focus on racism, why didn't they reveal who made the comment about Archie's skin colour? Why have they become big buddies with the (dearly departed) Prince Philip, who is on record as saying by a country mile the most racist things in the royal family? Will they ever dare to do a live, unscripted interview, rather than tell their story in cosy, fluffy, self-scripted and curated dramas (answer: never)?

fartichoke · 15/12/2022 20:08

pelargoniums · 15/12/2022 20:05

They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering.
I for one was shocked that a documentary series about Harry and Meghan entitled Harry and Meghan was about Harry and Meghan. All of it! The nerve!

To be fair, it was six hours of their victimhood at the hand of others.

Readaboutyourself · 15/12/2022 20:09

All the released stories from the start were press releases from the palaces so I guess yes, it’s all lies from the royal family

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Nolosomi · 15/12/2022 20:12

Another basic thread, started by a basic person with not enough in their lives to stop them being unhealthily invested in Meghan & Harry.

ThighMistress · 15/12/2022 20:13

@RosettaStormer - really good observations. Really Meghan was her own worst enemy, and as for Harry bleating on… They could have been globally famous for positive reasons instead of now being just a love it or hate it circus.

coodawoodashooda · 15/12/2022 20:14

BedTaker · 15/12/2022 18:40

Meghan and Harry are a great example of

If one person is an arsehole, they are probably an arsehole. But if everyone is an arsehole, it's probably you that's the arsehole.

That's it!

Cornelious · 15/12/2022 20:19

I'm not British so not invested one way or the other in the RF, but I don't understand the hatred for H&M. I actually think that people have watched a different documentary to me..

Wonnle · 15/12/2022 20:30

pelargoniums · 15/12/2022 20:05

They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering.
I for one was shocked that a documentary series about Harry and Meghan entitled Harry and Meghan was about Harry and Meghan. All of it! The nerve!

I'm surprised Harry even got a look in with Megan being in it , he was probably allowed to say what she told him to though

Wonnle · 15/12/2022 20:32

Shesasuperfreak · 15/12/2022 19:52

I believe Harry and Megan and almost cried watching the show today. They are exposing the truth

Bollocks !

It's there version of the truth to make them look like victims

Roussette · 15/12/2022 20:33

TheShellBeach · 15/12/2022 18:53

They did say that they wanted privacy. Privacy for their children particularly.

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No they didn't.

They never said that. You don't understand what they said they wanted.

And you really don't understand the idea of privacy do you?

If i burst into your home by kicking the door down. That's invading your privacy.

If you decide you want me to come round, invite me, open the door and welcome me. That isn't.

DarkDarkNight · 15/12/2022 20:38

I don’t think so no. They’re certainly not telling lies about the relationship between the media and various royal households.

Spectre8 · 15/12/2022 20:38

I enjoyed the series, for me the major take away was what an awful institution the monarchy is, we all know about clickbait articles and drowning out news with other news happens but the fact this a family doing it to each other is quite disgusting really. No wonder they buggered off who wants to deal with that when family should stick together.

And yes the media its been more apparent since covid how truly deplorable they can be, the depths they will go to is quite sickening and their story just proves that. I mean look at the state of the articles coming out over this documentary. Completely proves their point.

Tillsforthrills · 15/12/2022 20:57

RosettaStormer · 15/12/2022 20:01

I wondered if the reference to being told not to send photos by text to her friends was referencing that. Why would she have imagined that taking photos of private family stuff within the RF would be perfectly fine to be shared with her friends? If that is what it was.
They just seem totally tone deaf . The whole six hours was about themselves and their suffering. No insights into how others might have viewed them, except in a negative context. Nothing positive about any member of the RF bar the Queen, and only I suspect because they knew she was off limits. Just endless focus on their Great Love Story and their Tribulations. Tiresome and egotistical.

I notice many of the contentious issues were completely airbrushed out. The supposed bullying of staff, the demands they made on staff round the clock, their bad temper and demanding manner. Tiara gate. The 'forgetting' of vital information in the court case. The insistence that Finding Freedom did not use source material from them, when it clearly did. The claims that they were already married before the ceremony in public. Interesting that they didn't address any of this. How incredibly naive Harry was to think he would be provided Met protection for life in a foreign country. Just jaw dropping really.

They seem to have a lovely life now, gambolling in their beautiful gardens, going to the beach (why aren't they worried about Paps hiding out there?), playing games and lounging around. Really, they are incredibly fortunate. Neither of them has a job and they are set for life now with the enormous sums Netflix has paid them for essentially home movie footage. They wouldn't have had any of that without Harry's Royal connections. Yet there is not an ounce of gratitude, just endlessly painting themselves as Victims.

The press harassment was dreadful, but not motivated by racism I believe, in the main. Of course there are some deranged and dangerous loonies out there for whom race is an issue, but I think class and social expectations were at the root of a lot of the criticism, and Meghan often came across badly. Barging in front of Harry at public events, interrupting him, constantly drawing attention to herself at every opportunity. It grated. I think she is a total mismatch for the RF and Harry was obviously just looking for an exit from the whole shebang. They have got what they wanted now and good luck to them. I do think that one of these days it will hit home for Harry that he's jettisoned virtually his whole family and there will never be a way back. At the moment they are still in a phase of euphoria and excitement about their new life. Five or ten years down the line when they have nothing else to sell, and their children don't know their extended family, the regret may begin to set in.

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spot on

DownNative · 15/12/2022 21:00

britsabroad · 15/12/2022 19:27

I can't be bothered to list the lies right now but another poster @downnative has listed them on the other h&m thread.

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports