Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

[TheShellBeach]

As per the thread title.

Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything.

Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

Since looking into some of this I have been horrified by some of the posts , You Tubes and ridiculous things out there about her BUT to be fair there are equally horrific things about Kate as well ( and others) .There are certainly some crazies out there.

Someone mentioned on MN the other day that Prince Philip referred to her as 'The Duchess of Windsor' and another poster thought that was terrible.

I can see why someone would have said that was terrible, but unlike pretty much anyone else expressing a view on Prince Phillip’s opinion, he had a least actually known both women! If he wanted to draw a comparison based on his personal knowledge, that was his prerogative.

From memory I think M turned round and spoke during the national anthem and H sharply told her to turn round. Again I would have expected H to have been the one to advise his wife how to behave during the national anthem as it will have been drilled into all royal children.

Yes.
Just endless words and words and words - and if you try to analyse them, there is no sentence structure and no meaning to what comes out of her mouth.

Mlovelygreendress
I am not convinced that Meghan is as clever as some people ( including her!) think

I agree...and I confess...I was trying to be polite. I suppose by 'clever' in this context, I mean crafty and manipulative, which isn't the same. But I think Harry is just dim and unaware of what's going on around him and the consequences of his actions whereas Meghan has much more nous when it comes to using dealing with people.

Yes, re crafty and manipulative is something innate and built on since a child probably, nasty to people unless
The camera is on. I recall that walk at the queens funeral and someone turned away from her and she pinched their elbow 😱 because she wasn't interested in MM

I think Meghan is manipulative and has been used to getting her own way and doing things the way she wanted. This didn't go down well in royal circles. Imagine going up against Princess Anne. No thanks. She saw off kidnappers. Meghan would be a piece of cake.

But I’m sure she wouldn’t have turned round when the US National Anthem was played. Surely most people know without being told that you stand still and respect a National Anthem, even if it is not of your own country 🤷‍♀️

I think one thing that irritated me was the curtsey interview when she referred to the Medieval Times dinner show. Having been at one about 40 years ago and knowing how crap it is , it was just a crass reference. It would be like comparing the USA to the Beverley Hillbillies or the Hills have Eyes.

I thought it was awful the way she talked about it in the documentary as it was clearly intended to mock - Harry's face during that showed that he thought it was disrespectful even if he didn't say anything.

However.....

this is one area where might give her a little pass on finding learning about the curtsey a bit ridiculous as she was taught by Fergie to do it. Who also clearly taught both her daughters the same technique.

For some reason, Fergie does the most ridiculously low curtseys I've ever seen. Princess Anne goes quite low but she tends to keep her back straight and with her strong leg muscles from all that riding she's very controlled in the up and down. Fergie does a MASSIVE bend down and forwards but with neck up and in recent years she makes you worry she's not going to get back up!

Both Beatrice and Eugenie do the same style - and it looks super weird with short skirts because the legs look very ungainly in that position - I mean everyone's legs do - under a ball gown, or long wedding dress it looks much better.

She already knew how to curtsy @wordler , there's footage of her doing it on suits apparently!

Ooh that Fergie curtsey!! Someone give her a hand 😨

She did a little 2-second bob on Suits - I imagine that Fergie teaching her to 'go low' felt a little bizarre.

In practice when she was shown doing it at Christmas etc, I noticed she usually did the midway bob like Kate does.

Eugenie did the super low curtsey at her wedding and in that gorgeous dress it looked lovely.

Did she not do ballet ? If so I would imagine she learned how to curtsy.,

Yes @Mylovelygreendress , I did ballet for a short time( I was not a coordinated child! )
Snd they do teach a curtsy.

Nobody taught Meghan to do that Swan Lake parody whilst sitting on a sofa, that's for sure - least of all Fergie.

This is part of the problem. Why be negative and sneery? No need.

She posted on her instagram back in the day that she took ballet and tap as a child (where curtsying to your teacher at the end of class is traditional), and she also listed ballet as a skill on her early years acting resume. And yes, there’s footage of her bobbing a quick curtsey while appearing in Suits. So no, it won’t have been a wholly foreign concept to her.

So not a Sizzler salad afterwards, then?
Proper lunch?

It occurs to me that she’s been inventing her own character all her life. It’s like she’s telling fairy stories about herself to sound more interesting. I think she’s developed a habit of being creative with the truth or just ignoring the truth to suit her current agenda. Before Harry she wrote a lot about her wonderful relationship with her dad. Then after they fell out her mother was put on a pedestal. Likewise friendships. It’s all quite sad. Kate was so helpful and wonderful until she wasn’t. She adored the Queen but didn’t see an issue about hurting her and destroying the RF.

I think that's a common issue with social media influencers - you are curating an image and projecting a slice of yourself. Most innfluencers don't get catapulted onto the global stage though so don't have to try to remember how they spun things.

You're right, @wordler - like the very loving tribute to her father on Father's Day. She was creating something, a curated version of her life.

The curtsey on the sofa was rude and mocking, I thought, and I agree with anyone who thought Harry looked uncomfortable with that, and so he should.

Going back to a few posts ago, about the balcony, I am inclined to be merciful to Meghan. If there is a lot of noise at an event, e.g. a big sporting occasion, it's sometimes hard to hear the very start of the National Anthem and it takes a couple of lines before everyone realises it's started. The band wasn't next to her ear and she wasn't used to the scenario. Possibly she turned round to ask something completely different or maybe she hadn't realised it had started and Harry would have needed to get her to turn round promptly.

She seemed to be happy meeting people face to face in the crowds. I can see that the foreign tours were a bit full on for her in terms of the busy-ness of them. When she took Archie to see Desmond Tutu it was the first time I'd seen him - not D. Tutu!

I didn't think she looked angry at things but at the big unfamiliar things like Trooping the Colour and Remembrance Day she had a bit of a glazed look. She wasn't brought up with a mother and granny who were colonels-in-chief of regiments. It was another world.

If Harry hadn't wanted out perhaps they could all have lived and learned and gauged it better as time went on.

My assertion about royals attending the Met gala was just based on the casually observed fact that I have not seen any in attendance these last few years. Then again, I do not follow the royals nor the Met gala, so there's that.

The point I was trying to make is simple, if Harry and Meghan wanted to go to the Met gala, they can easily get a ticket, as it is not the most exclusive ticket in town.

Oh, you can call it whatever you want to, definitely not attached to any particular label.