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Meghan & Harry Were Lying From The Start, Weren't They?

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TheShellBeach · 15/12/2022 17:47

As per the thread title.

Right from the word go, Meghan and Harry were not telling the truth. About anything.

Now the Netflix series has come out it just proves it, over and over again.

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Sagharbor · 10/02/2024 22:01

FloofCloud · 10/02/2024 15:57

Exactly - I rarely see anything positive about them that they don't themselves share

How dismissive. The biggest affair on US sports television is now a third rate event all from the same people who have been saying that Harry and Meghan's status is falling in the US.

They are still doing a lot of charity work with their foundation, and I do not see how doing fun, non-charity based events takes away from their charity work.

RosettaStormer · 10/02/2024 22:03

What charity work are they doing? I know about Invictus but what else ?

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:04

The biggest affair on US sports television is now a third rate event all from the same people who have been saying that Harry and Meghan's status is falling in the US.

What is the biggest affair on US sports television? Are you referring to the Super Bowl? They aren’t attending, according to the US press.

https://pagesix.com/2024/02/10/entertainment/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-to-skip-super-bowl-ahead-of-canada-trip/

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to skip Super Bowl ahead of Canada trip

The Duke of Sussex has struck up a friendship with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell -— but Harry and the Duchess of Sussex won’t be at the Super Bowl.

https://pagesix.com/2024/02/10/entertainment/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-to-skip-super-bowl-ahead-of-canada-trip/

Sagharbor · 10/02/2024 22:05

Gottseidank · 03/02/2024 22:25

From what I’ve observed, they really aren’t popular, most people see them as self-important and unaware - just look at all the polls, or read the comments on any online article about them, on practically any site.

Unfortunately their planned 2020 relaunch as ‘A list international celebs’ was a spluttering failure. Over the 3 years since they have turned up to all sorts of obscure envelope openings, but haven’t managed to secure an invite to a single high status event. Where were they at the Met gala, the Emmy’s, the Oscar’s, or even Elton John’s annual bash? They turn up at strange events no-one has heard of - to receive awards that make them look desperate- like the aviation one. William’s brief US visits last year generated the sort of buzz they can only dream of.

And to their discredit, since the failure of their half-in scheme, they seem to have (unsuccessfully) pushed a relentless campaign of revenge PR against the RF: through books, tv projects, interviews, leaks and a small army of tireless Sussex squandettes on X and elsewhere online.

Of course, Kate and William, who remain overwhelmingly more popular than them (including in the US) are the biggest targets for their ire. Just like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor before them, they have embarked upon new lives abroad but are still looking back at the world they left behind with bitterness and resentment.

This is stretching it. Why do you think they should go to all the award shows in the US? Don't you think Harry is invited to these sport events because he has done a great job running Invictus games?

Why would they go to the Met gala? There are no other royals that go there? Why aren't William and Kate invited to the Met gala? or the Emmys? These events are not only for US residents, are they?

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:07

Why would they go to the Met gala? There are no other royals that go there?

Princess Diana did, and Princess Beatrice has also attended.

Sagharbor · 10/02/2024 22:08

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:04

The biggest affair on US sports television is now a third rate event all from the same people who have been saying that Harry and Meghan's status is falling in the US.

What is the biggest affair on US sports television? Are you referring to the Super Bowl? They aren’t attending, according to the US press.

https://pagesix.com/2024/02/10/entertainment/prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-to-skip-super-bowl-ahead-of-canada-trip/

Harry was presenting Cam Heyward with the NFL man of the year award, which is comes toward the end of the football season, just before tomorrow's Superbowl. It is a precursor to the Superbowl

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:09

Sagharbor · 10/02/2024 22:08

Harry was presenting Cam Heyward with the NFL man of the year award, which is comes toward the end of the football season, just before tomorrow's Superbowl. It is a precursor to the Superbowl

So the NFL man of the year award is the biggest affair on US Sports television, you are saying?

mrsmingleton · 10/02/2024 22:09

I think it's all going to be about Swiftie!

Sagharbor · 10/02/2024 22:14

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:07

Why would they go to the Met gala? There are no other royals that go there?

Princess Diana did, and Princess Beatrice has also attended.

You name two royals, does not cut it.

I imagine if they wanted a ticket to the Met gala, they would get one. It is not the most exclusive ticket in town.

But, of course, as soon as they show up to such an event, many will be screaming saying how it is beneath them to attend such an event, the same people who like to refer to them as D listed celebrities.

Talking from both sides of their mouth.

And just because you have not heard of an award or event before does not mean it is not important or worthy.

Serenster · 10/02/2024 22:19

You name two royals, does not cut it.

You said “no other royals” go to the Met gala. I told you two British examples straight off. If you want other examples, not British, Charlotte Casiraghi, Queen Rania of Jordan and Princess Maries Chantal and Princess Marie-Olympia of Greece have all attended a few times in recent years. So…you are just wrong.

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She wasn't smiling while driving in that picture though I mean her father in law could be facing a heavy cancer battle her sister in law is seriously ill her husband has left the country and she is laughing like they won the lottery its not the best look

Personally they could have taken dozens of concerned face shots and just picked the one where she is smiling (which to be fair they almost certainly have to fit the narrative) I just winced as it seems ill judged I hope she didn't do it deliberately (I err on the anyone can be a psycho side of caution)

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 10/02/2024 23:35

Scanning through the past few pages I’ve read a quite a few things I don’t agree with.

A particular criticism really bothers me though. Like very many women I experienced strong post natal depression. When Meghan and Harry toured Africa, Archie was 4 months old. We know since then that Meghan had been struggling with depression and suicidal ideation during her pregnancy. She was a brand new mom. Hormone still not back to normal. When the interviewer asked her how she was, she teared up a little and said something like, ’no one has asked me that’. I think that’s understandable. She was tired and momentarily a little distressed on tour with her first child who was only four months old. It’s an extreme vulnerable time in our lives. New baby, questioning our parenting, trying to get some sleep, etcetera et etcetera. I know she had support and help but she was in the spotlight trying to manage at a very vulnerable times I really disagree with the argument that Meghan was being insensitive to the people whose country she was touring. And indeed, from the footage I’ve seen, the people she saw really seemed to be happy to see her, and she them.

I just look at this first time mum, so obviously post natal, still carrying her baby weight and probably still breastfeeding, and I think this accusation against her is unfair.

This one hardly matters but a poster used the example of Meghan talking on the balcony and Harry having to tell her to turn around (in support of her argument that I don’t agree with at all). However, I’ve seen William (on the balcony) who also had to be admonished by the late Queen for not standing up on another occasion. And there is more than one occasion when some young adult members of the RF would start in with the goggles about something, and the QE2 would give them a stern look.

I think that if the media had not been so critical of Meghan during her time in the UK, there’s a fair likelihood that Meghan and Harry would still be in the UK. The often unfair criticism from the media, confirming some people’s biases, encouraged the hateful posts about Meghan in the comments sections of newspapers, and on social media. I think that Meghan and Harry might not have cast around for another way with which to find an independent life.

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 11/02/2024 00:04

Further, I don’t argue that Meghan is perfect, no one is. However, in my opinion none of us could stand up the vitriol and accusations, aimed at Meghan and emerge with an unblemished reputation, and this despite so many of the accusations being false. There just seemed to be a very limited attempt by the media to present her in a decent light. For every positive article there was a slew of negative ones: There were complimentary articles but, on balance, it was critical of Meghan.

There are so many examples of the unfair criticisms, but one that comes strongly to mind is Meghan’s championing of the Hubb Community Kitchen. I know both Kate and William did good things there too. Meghan chose to dig in a bit deeper on this one. She really seemed to do some good and effective work there. However, journalist Camilla Tominey had the need to cast that work in a negative life, and associate that kitchen with the mosque itself, and then write a whole article about terrorists who had previously attended the mosque. As it stands, there were no accusations made against the mosque itself that I can find.

The kitchen is separate to the mosque itself -separate entrances. It was a separate kitchen full of women trying to do something for their devastated community. I can’t remember the headline but I know it had both Jihadi and Meghan’s name in it. This was a shitty thing to do, and a shitty thing to write about. In her article, Tominey’s ‘research’ seems to be quite heavily dependent on the ‘research’ done by the HJS - a far right think British think tank. It was a disgraceful bit of journalism imo, and the people who suffered it most were the women of the Hubb Community Kitchen who were trying to create a sense of community as well as feed the Grenfell fire survivors. But that didn’t matter to the newspapers. It’s all about discrediting Meghan and Harry and anyone, and everyone, they associate with.

The British tabloid media (and not always only the tabloid media)and Murdoch media in three countries, has been responsible for very many repeated and unfair attacks on Meghan and Harry. And used their power as a cudgel to beat them with. Quite a few on social media take the bait and run with it.

Harry is suing 3 major media companies. He’s just won against the first. I hope he has the strength (and the money) to keep fighting because in fact, it’s more than gossip which destroys peoples lives - which is bad enough. It’s about having a good honest media who can be relied upon to do their job as the fourth estate without fear or favor. Currently that is not what is happening. We need to be able to rely on the 4th estate to hold governments and billionaires and big business to account, not to use their power to benefit their power to benefit their owners and their mates. I don’t pretend Harry’s actions alone will affect much change, but it hopefully starts to get the ball rolling.

FloofCloud · 11/02/2024 01:12

@Sagharbor - charity work 😂🤣🤣 oh you are funny!!

FloofCloud · 11/02/2024 01:18

@Sagharbor sorry but I think you're a bit deluded - they don't go to more high profile events but they do show up to the opening of envelopes and awards ceremony ones no one has heard of ... ok!! 😂

FloofCloud · 11/02/2024 01:25

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 10/02/2024 23:35

Scanning through the past few pages I’ve read a quite a few things I don’t agree with.

A particular criticism really bothers me though. Like very many women I experienced strong post natal depression. When Meghan and Harry toured Africa, Archie was 4 months old. We know since then that Meghan had been struggling with depression and suicidal ideation during her pregnancy. She was a brand new mom. Hormone still not back to normal. When the interviewer asked her how she was, she teared up a little and said something like, ’no one has asked me that’. I think that’s understandable. She was tired and momentarily a little distressed on tour with her first child who was only four months old. It’s an extreme vulnerable time in our lives. New baby, questioning our parenting, trying to get some sleep, etcetera et etcetera. I know she had support and help but she was in the spotlight trying to manage at a very vulnerable times I really disagree with the argument that Meghan was being insensitive to the people whose country she was touring. And indeed, from the footage I’ve seen, the people she saw really seemed to be happy to see her, and she them.

I just look at this first time mum, so obviously post natal, still carrying her baby weight and probably still breastfeeding, and I think this accusation against her is unfair.

This one hardly matters but a poster used the example of Meghan talking on the balcony and Harry having to tell her to turn around (in support of her argument that I don’t agree with at all). However, I’ve seen William (on the balcony) who also had to be admonished by the late Queen for not standing up on another occasion. And there is more than one occasion when some young adult members of the RF would start in with the goggles about something, and the QE2 would give them a stern look.

I think that if the media had not been so critical of Meghan during her time in the UK, there’s a fair likelihood that Meghan and Harry would still be in the UK. The often unfair criticism from the media, confirming some people’s biases, encouraged the hateful posts about Meghan in the comments sections of newspapers, and on social media. I think that Meghan and Harry might not have cast around for another way with which to find an independent life.

Not being g funny, but when I had my children, the people asking me if I were ok were my husband, parents, my friends ... so who is she pointing at?
It seems Harry has neglected her, suicidal ideation ... where is he? Her mum? Her friends?

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 11/02/2024 02:03

Her mum and her friends weren’t on the tour. Harry was on tour, yes. I can’t poke at a women for tearing up a little when on a royal tour with all its pressures, and with a 4 month old.

FloofCloud · 11/02/2024 02:17

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 11/02/2024 02:03

Her mum and her friends weren’t on the tour. Harry was on tour, yes. I can’t poke at a women for tearing up a little when on a royal tour with all its pressures, and with a 4 month old.

Before, when pregnant and post birth?! Apparently 'the firm' wouldn't help ... hhmmm if that was my child, best friend, spouse then I'd be sorting her ... not the business she works for

LittleTeawithmilk1 · 11/02/2024 02:37

All our circumstances are different, but one thing very many women have in common is pregnancy related depression.

Meghan wasn’t in her home country. She was not surrounded by all that was familiar: Not even when in the UK. I recognise she was living a luxurious lifestyle that we will never know, but I just can’t imagine being under unfamiliar skies, with the pressure of a royal tour, and having post natal depression.

AliceOlive · 11/02/2024 03:28

I felt for Meghan when I saw the clip of her saying no one asks how she is doing. I have felt like that at times and am sure it’s true for many women. The simple truth is, there is only one person that really could have helped and he was clueless about what to do. That’s also probably true for many women.

I was glad they were making changes and fully expected them to take a huge break, regroup and figure out how they wanted to live.

Alalain · 11/02/2024 07:29

I too felt sorry for her during the Bradbury interview in S.Africa, I think she really did look like a woman in the throes of postnatal depression. With regards to Harry telling her to turn around on the balcony, I think it was more her expression when she turned around that got everyone talking, she had a face like thunder and appeared to be livid. When William was told to stand up, he didn't react at all.

RosettaStormer · 11/02/2024 07:51

I think it was madness for her to go on the tour to Australia when in early pregnancy. Whoever thought that one up was really not thinking straight. She was still adjusting to Royal life and marriage . Add pregnancy into the mix and it was really not a great idea. Harry himself had never experienced a Royal tour like that. It was too much too soon. Kate was eased in gently but M was just thrown into it . No doubt a lot of that was her own fault as she proclaimed that she wanted to hit the ground running etc. someone senior (the Queen?) should have been firm about what happened when.

The tour to S Africa when she had a young baby and was still breastfeeding was also a massive miscalculation. It does make you wonder who decided on the timings of these things. Ideally the two of them should have been allowed at least two years to build up gradually. Meghan could have done some things that suited her interests in a low key way whilst focusing on having her family and adjusting to married life and her new role. There is such a lot to learn and it’s all very very alien to someone from her background. They needed to be managed and supported .

It didn’t help that clearly William and Kate didn’t warm to her and that she fell out with her father. There were lots of difficult things to navigate. Harry is clearly very emotionally immature. He wasn’t used to being the supportive partner, he was used to being enabled and supported by others. He was spoilt and indulged and also lacked awareness of how hard things would be for her coming into such a strange environment.

Clearly the pressures they were under caused them to turn against everyone around them, lash out , and turn to each other for support. It had led to them becoming very paranoid and locked in a bubble where they only listen to each other. I don’t think either of them actually understands the needs of the other very well either. They are both spoilt and arrogant with a sense of entitlement . Their lives will continue to be a car crash unless they can step back and try to genuinely reflect on what’s gone wrong. That requires insight and humility, neither of which they have.

Maireas · 11/02/2024 08:01

Meghan was not "thrown into it". They had a choice to have a quiet, low key start, but Meghan wanted to "hit the ground running".
They were given the option of a low key wedding, a house in the Cotswolds, Meghan to carry on acting, easing into it in a small way. But no. So :
they were given important Commonwealth roles, and a prestigious tour, which was organised and discussed with them before the wedding. The organisers did not know that she would be pregnant. The choice was to cancel the whole tour or go ahead. I actually thought it went well.
You're right, @RosettaStormer - there was a lot to learn, I think probably too much for someone like Meghan. It did turn out to be too much too soon. That Harry never understood that, I think is problematic.

Byfleet · 11/02/2024 08:01

@LittleTeawithmilk I agree with a lot of what you say.

You seem to post a lot, but only about the royal family and in support of Meghan and Harry and against other members of the RF. Also, you use American English. I am curious as to why an American has become so very interested in the British royalty family?

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