Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

It's also not like she was just down the road from him, where she could pop round - What else could she do - he also wouldn't leave his home if I remember correctly when they tried to get him away from the paps.

It's also not like she was just down the road from him, where she could pop round - What else could she do - he also wouldn't leave his home if I remember correctly when they tried to get him away from the paps.

All the more reason to meet him before the press knew about them.
She flew back and forth to the UK regularly, they could have gone to Mexico.

She flew back and forth to the UK regularly, they could have gone to Mexico.

Massive security issues with travelling to Mexico.

This in 2018 - talking about M&H and events leading up to the wedding -

I totally agree.

I must admit I've never understood the whole TM debacle.

It seems odd they didn't meet but I'm also mindful that there could well have been security reasons why that might not have been possible and TM may not have wished to fly to the U.K.

I've got a feeling that's a more complex story that we know and that there were faults in both sides.

They offered to send out some people to escort him, some security people he had met before. He refused the offer. They sent numerous texts and tried to ring to encourage him to come and to respond. He ignored it all then. This is in court documents so not hearsay, but fact.

Charles got really frustrated how the situation was being handled and he asked Harry why she just couldn't go and see him and talk to him in person. She refused to go because she said the paps would make it too difficult. But didnt she leave the UK for a few events after her marriage where no one even knew she'd left the country?

I think it was handled very poorly by Meghan and Harry but I can't go along with her being ashamed of him and never wanted him there. She always spoke very glowingly of him and how he raised her. I didnt detect any sense of embarrassment about him and she seemed genuinely gutted that he didn't come.

TM really comes across very well in that interview, in my opinion. Very sad how it’s all turned out.

I think it was handled very poorly by Meghan and Harry but I can't go along with her being ashamed of him and never wanted him there. She always spoke very glowingly of him and how he raised her. I didnt detect any sense of embarrassment about him and she seemed genuinely gutted that he didn't come.

I think things just go out of hand and in the end he was overwhelmed and couldn't face the whole thing. But I believe Meghan would have done what she could for him to be there if he wanted to. Towards the end of the clip he mentions that they included him in the planning even down to what he would wear.

I think it looked v odd when all on MM's side were 1) her mother but 2) no other relatives just people she had met and famous and work people

I do think that W&C invited uncle Gary - so was she (C) worried about a potentially embarrassing relative - it would to appear not to be so. I do think it looks like M could have made more effort to have her father there & introduce him to her husband but I don't know the circumstances.

Such a shame they have between them estranged or made relationships difficult in both their families. But they seem happy so who knows. I do know though that my DCs loved their grannies and grandpas and that is a hard thing I think to lose for a young child. & sometimes - think less about yourself and more about your children's relationships. *( if the GPs are utterly dreadful - then one thing - it doesn't really look like it on either side though )

They must make their own decisions - and they have

I enjoyed parts of the documentary. Especially seeing them interact with their children more towards the end. The Easter egg hunt was lovely, very natural and normal. But the 'interview' parts on the sofa, very staged, unnatural and the constant gushing about what an amazing love story they have is nauseating and doesn't seem authentic. I find the multiple comparison to Diana embarrassing as well. I do feel like Meghan has been sold a pack of lies by Harry, who I feel is pretending he can't believe his luck that he, a British millionaire Prince, would have any luck with an intelligent beautiful woman like Meghan. I know men like Harry through my work. They're mostly all tossers with inflated egos who pretend to be dashing and charming.

It's just odd that Harry never got to meet the father. Like you are engaged and you plan to meet your FIL two days before the wedding. Not that they didn't have the money to organise something. That alone was a sign. That and Oprah sitting at the choir when she only met them once.

Yes Harry had six months between getting engaged and getting married in which he could have met Meghan's father. Very odd that he chose not to.

In fairness, we don't know that he 'chose' not to. It's equally likely that Thomas Markle wasn't the easiest person to make arrangements with. I notice he hasn't said anything negative about not having the opportunity to meet Harry, and it's not like he's been reluctant to criticise the two of them.

The situation with Thomas Markle was (and is) rather strange.

Yes, many people have strained relationships with difficult or toxic parents, which I can understand, and if that were the case, the way things transpired might have made sense.

But it's hard to get past this ode to her father's all-around fabulousness - written on her Tig blog just a couple of years earlier:

thetigarchives.tumblr.com/post/185842357490/the-tig-archives-beauty-draw-your-own-box-draw

I can't see how she went from that to the current stance. Nor can I understand the outrage at her father betraying her confidence by talking to the media for $$$, when she and Harry have done exactly the same thing, repeatedly.

Personally, I think his face didn't fit - she found him embarassing. We know from the Tig, the Cut interview etc how fixated MM is with image. I imagine she was dreading the prospect of being walked down the aisle before an audience of millions by an unkempt, overweight man - and especially dreading the inevitable comparisons with Kate and her father.

I think this too. Basically only Doria could pass muster. Doria’s side of the family were also excluded.

Ages ago there was a thread with a poster determined that M’s uncle was there. They even provided a photo of a guest who was a black gentleman. The man was certainly not M’s uncle. I couldn’t help thinking that this poster had dropped a big clanger - assuming that any black guest who was not famous must be a Meghan relative .

Do we know what was the situation with Doria during MM childhood. Did she leave the family home and was she raised by her father? Somewhere I read that she left Meghan at 2 years old and then reconnected years later. Or did Meghan move out with Doria at 2 years old?

Doria is very much like the RF in knowing the power of less being more.

Never complain, never explain is the secret of immortality!

Your position on Thomas is very much my own, susan12345678; even allowing for the rows which happen in many families, so much seems inexplicable

So do the circumstances around Doria allegedly going AWOL for Meghan's teenage years. Many have had a stab at this, but AFAIK nobody actually has the facts - nobody except the palace that is, who I'm sure will have dug into every detail going

Charles seemed very protective of both Meghan and Doria around the time of the wedding which was lovely to see.

Indeed - Doria is admired for being dignified and not 'spilling' all over the place (it's a stance I very much agree with, whether it's Doria or the royal family) - don't feed the fire, very sensible.

www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/12/inside-the-meghan-markle-family-breakdown-thomas-samantha-markle

This seems a very well researched piece published many years ago.

Seems to echo some of the things we have heard since and also give some other insights that have got lost over time.

It appears that they both co-parented for early years and then Meghan lived full time with her dad for 9 years before she went to Uni.

It seems he was a loving and generous father in a messy situation with older complicated teens that had recently joined him in LA after he left them behind in Pennsylvania.

For anyone interested in the global impact of their tantrums... this makes an interesting read. The qualifications of the two authors are at the bottom of the article.

thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3784176-the-trouble-with-harry-and-meghan/

Interesting read.

That’s an interesting article, just shows how self serving their behaviour is.

I can’t imagine they care, but it might explain the radio silence from the Obamas etc.