Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

These were exactly my thoughts too, but I cba to write them so thank you! Especially the bit about Thomas M's behaviour. They way M said it rang true and the frustration she must have felt was sad in the run up to the wedding when he should have gone all out to be there for her. I feel he has a lot to answer to.

The niece thing didnt ring true, and she let herself and the niece down big time. Her niece has had a really hard time being the daughter of someone who clearly has MH issues and MM wasnt kind to her by not inviting her.

Doria comes across so well, what a lovely lady. So supportive and natural.

I don't follow it closely but I felt a bit sorry for her dad. They didn't seem to include him in much, would have been nice if they had flown him over a few weeks before the wedding so he could have met people and got used to it all. Instead he seemed to be left on his own until he was due over just before the wedding without much guidance and he didn't look like he had much money so maybe panicking about things.

I might have missed things but it just seemed a bit sad and then he did something stupid and then that was it, no way back with them. I've read nice things she said about her childhood with him and he didn't sound like a bad man.

The DM is not the only newspaper. It's probably the most extreme example of the British print media with an anti-H&M stance. Not a typical example.

As I've posted before, there are others (e.g. The Guardian) that are mildly supportive.

As you've posted before, (I think it was you, my apologies if it wasn't and this isn't your opinion) in your opinion, the DM is SO influential it is valid to use it as the one example of 'all newspapers'. I.e. select the one example that gives the greatest support to your claims, and then not mention any others...

And so we beat on, boats against the current etc

I agree, I don't think he's a bad man per se either, I think M&H handled things badly in that Harry hadn't met him prior to the wedding and he was fairly obviously going to be overwhelmed by the whole thing. But then after the staged photos and him being in hospital (if true??) they were desperately trying to reach him and saying they weren't angry and just wanted to help, and at that point he seems to have just doubled down, for some reason.

He's made some pretty awful remarks and is open about being paid for that, and selling her childhood photos. But I do think he loves Meghan and I think she misses him.

Actually I remembered something he said back when she was still a working royal and we now know he was spot on in his assessment. I looked up the quote and it's this:
“My thing about my daughter right now is that I think she is terrified. I see it in her eyes, I see it in her face and I see it in her smile. I’ve seen her smile for years. I know her smile. I don’t like the one I’m seeing now. This one isn’t even a stage smile — this is a pained smile. That might be just having a couple of bad days. I don’t know. It really worries me. I think she’s under too much pressure. There’s a high price to pay to be married to that family.”

Thanks, I didn't know all that. He just seems a sad old man to me and as you say they handled it badly and it just seems to have spiraled. Very sad to see.

Wasn't it true that he was in hospital?

Wasn't it true that he was in hospital?

I don't know. I think probably he was, the timing seemed very suspicious but OTOH hand stress can be a trigger. Lots of people have said it was a hoax but then there's so much misinformation around.

The whole Thomas Markle thing was very odd.

Unfortunately after his initial "gaffe" he didn't stop there did he?

Was he "set up" by the papers?Did he go along thinking it would come across as funny?

Did he badly need money?

A mixture of all of those? And just being a bit of an odd stick with a chip on his shoulder. I do think the press saw his vulnerabilities and took full advantage though, which is sad. Part of me likes him for going rogue and speaking out about things, but then I sympathise with Harry and Meghan for that too. I think he really blotted his copybook when he said he was going to do an interview every month until Meghan spoke to him though, and his "It's time to take care of daddy" thing was cringey and awful. He's openly said he will keep selling stories.

It was interesting too when he said on Australian TV the photos of him were "part of a plan to mess up the wedding" but that was swiftly scrubbed from the Internet!

It was interesting too when he said on Australian TV the photos of him were "part of a plan to mess up the wedding" but that was swiftly scrubbed from the Internet!

Yes. And I actually remember seeing that when he said that. I think he said he'd been asked to or something, I can't verify that because its not available any more

Well that is all very odd isn't it. I think I still feel that if they'd brought him into the fold at the start it would have all been very different. Maybe I'm just in his age group so trying to see his side of it although I think, like his DD and SIL, he needs to let it all go now.

What does "bring him into the fold" really mean though?

Send someone out to talk to hm about what he should/shouldn't do?

It's odd to me that they never met up with him- especially if the plan really was to have him give her away!

Imagine that falling out with your dad means that you are walked down the ailse by the future king!

But wasn’t there other texts from Harry they weren’t revealed in court as they would have been ‘very damaging’ if revealed.

It just seems like it’s always half a story they tell, and ignore the bits where they behave badly

Sammantha was clearly jealous of Meghan, if only Meghan had stayed high rather than behaving rather spitefully towards her. Meghan did let herself down

Meghan’s dad clearly adored her, I’m not excusing his comments or behaviour but he had never met Harry, how did they expect him to just rock up to Buckingham palace. I think he had no money and didn’t want to turn up penniless. Sammantha’s plan to make him some money with the pap shots was a disaster.

I meant ideally to invite him to London for a few weeks before the wedding. I don't know when the "photos" happened so that might not have worked but it just seemed like her mum was included and he was expected to turn up, do his duty and walk her down the aisle.

He doesn't look well off so the idea of living up to expectations at a royal wedding might have been very daunting. I mean would he have suitable clothing. Just the air fare might be out of the question for some pensioners, where would he stay, a hotel? I don't suppose H&M had room for him in their tiny cottage. Of course H&M might have reassured him that it would all be sorted out for him but I suppose even then he might have felt that he should be able to provide.

I just feel he is a bit of a sad old man.

I think he had no money and didn’t want to turn up penniless

They offered to send out some people to escort him, some security people he had met before. He refused the offer. They sent numerous texts and tried to ring to encourage him to come and to respond. He ignored it all then. This is in court documents so not hearsay, but fact.

Not all the messages are part of the court record so the record is incomplete

we do know that there was an element of purposeful ‘tugging on the heartstrings’ in Meghan’s correspondence with her father for future potential publication.

They should have met him, before the wedding.

we do know that there was an element of purposeful ‘tugging on the heartstrings’ in Meghan’s correspondence with her father for future potential publication.

That's entirely irrelevant. I agree they should have met him sooner, but we don't know if he made that possible or avoided it or what.

They should have met him, before the wedding. Yes why didn't Harry ever meet his father in law?

I imagine those were later. Not defending that but obviously we don't know what he said or what it was in response to.

We know there was a ‘harsh’ message from H to him, but we don’t know what it said. I think I remember from the time it being reported that it would have been damage to H or something.

We’re only going to get one side clearly, unless the markles go ahead with their own show next year. That’ll be interesting

"Just the air fare might be out of the question for some pensioners, where would he stay, a hotel? I don't suppose H&M had room for him in their tiny cottage. "
They had 1324 square feet in their "tiny" cottage. Of course they had room for Meghan's dad.

He was pretty reclusive, maybe they tried and he wasn't on board or maybe they didn't try hard enough. Either way it does reflect badly on them, but we don't know the story there. I'm sure they would have wanted to have that meeting so whatever went wrong I don't think is our place to judge, without full info.

I bet The Markles docuseries would be way more interesting than the Harkles one!

That’s what I mean, we don’t know one way or the other.
So hard to take anything from it all one way or the other IMO