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Royal Family response to Harry and Meghan

363 replies

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 05/12/2022 12:50

Any predictions? Any recommendations?
(And any thoughts when we get the response?).

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Soproudoflionesses · 08/12/2022 01:00

Justmuddlingalong · 07/12/2022 22:26

Imagine naming one of your kids after the matriarch and head of a business/firm/family who treated you like shit, condoned racist, mentally abusive and gaslighting behaviour towards you? And using the pet name at that.

Ooh good point

MrsThimbles · 08/12/2022 05:35

anexcellentwoman · 07/12/2022 20:43

I had huge sympathy for the Muslim colleagues at the time and I thought Prince Harry should have been sacked for his racist language and racist attitude to them

I’m married to a ‘raghead’ which was the term he used.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 06:03

FlorettaB · 05/12/2022 16:25

I don’t think there can be a public response other than ‘we wish them well.’ Privately, I think there needs to be a cull of the people who actually run things for the Royal Family. They have too many people stuck in the ‘this is how things are done’ mindset and whose main purpose is making sure their own status (gained from the royal they represent) is respected. The whole thing with H +M was a disaster in slo-mo and it seems that no one had the authority to step in and confront the Queen or Charles about the way things were heading. Things only seemed to be dealt with when Harry finally forced the issue.

If the Royal Family want to survive as heads of state they need to get in competent, talented people and listen to them. The whole family has to be managed as one entity rather than having different households sniping at each other. They also need to look at the the expectations for the next generation to avoid future problems. What was Harry supposed to be? He was born a Prince, seemed happy in the army but left and he had no purpose once his brother’s children were born. They could have had the talk years ago and set him up elsewhere to live a different life. He was never going to happy hanging around the family, always playing number two to his brother and having to ask for permission to do anything. I don’t think that Meghan understood the straitjacket of royal rules (eg the crazy tights thing, the running everything past other people for their approval) they would have to live with or what her and Harry’s roles would be.

It’s a very dysfunctional, odd situation to live in. Kate Middleton does it brilliantly - she doesn’t say or do anything unless it’s been approved. I have no idea what her opinion is on anything. Every second she has to act as if she’s being watched because she is, even if the watcher is over half a mile away (those intrusive pictures.) The press are obsessive. I can’t imagine going through life like that. I can’t imagine wanting to. Again, I don’t think that Meghan had any idea of how she would be expected to live. The kind of thing she’s doing now with her podcasts would never have been allowed. Self expression really isn’t a part of what the royals do. I do wonder sometimes why Harry didn’t explain what it was like.

This is such a thoughtful post @FlorettaB

In a way, H and M have done William's children a favour, and one hopes conversations will happen about the two youngest children.

The nub of the issue is that the UK has a constitutional monarch, one person.

But that monarch comes with a whole bunch of extra people who constitute a "royal family", supposedly supporting the monarch, but really just providing fodder for the press, particularly the women who marry in.

In that regard, a slimmed down monarchy is the best way forward but I believe it should be slimmed down only to the monarch. The heir can train the background, and all others make their way in the world. The spouses of the monarch and heir can play supportive roles, but should be free to work elsewhere if they wish.

The patronages thing is a fig leaf, charities in other parts of the world work perfectly well without royal patrons, and they can learn from that.

So let the monarch do his constitutional duty, alone, and dispense with the whole Royal family stuff. It will definitely kill off all the drama.

Coucous · 08/12/2022 06:08

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Ivyblu · 08/12/2022 06:33

Venetiaparties · 05/12/2022 13:22

Stripping of all titles as a starting point.
If it is serious slander I hope it will be something like"

'Buckingham Palace lawyers will proceed with an update in due course. Members of the Royal household will not be making any comments now or in the future'

I doubt this will happen. For the public it's just gossip and waiting to see what will happen.

Imagine it's your own Grandson, you would be horrified I wouldn't say a word!

DancedInClover · 08/12/2022 06:41

IcedPurple · 07/12/2022 19:09

Charles can find a bauble of some sort that would honour Kate, to spell out loud and clear where his loyalty lies.

I think the fact that both he and Queen Camilla are attending the filming of Kate's carol service on the 15th, the same day that part two of the 'documentary' airs, is significant.

Just shows how worried they are and how desperate they are to appear as a happy family. Sort of like when one half of a celeb couple is reported to have cheated and within days the couple appear together at some event, all over each other, to prove how ‘fine’ everything is. Everything is never fine though. It screams unhappiness, trouble, cover up and desperation to keep up appearances.

Soproudoflionesses · 08/12/2022 07:37

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Is there though?
As a white woman, l would soon be shot down for saying l don't believe there is because l have never suffered racism myself so wouldn't know or understand however much l educate myself. The truth is, nobody really knows what is said behind closed doors.
Either way, l am way past caring about what they have to say now

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 07:43

@MrsThimbles
I do think Harry's racism towards Muslims was dismissed because of Islamophobic attitudes in the UK. I really don't think Meghan would have forgiven him if he had made fun of someone who is black. His use of the term 'raghead' is completely unacceptable but Meghan doesn't seem bothered because the racism is directed at people who are brown rather than black.
I brought this up in a post once before and a very pro Meghan poster argued that the terms Harry used were not racist.
So little publicity is given to this casual racism, caught on video, from Harry. You might excuse the dressing as a Nazi because he was young but this racism against Muslims happened when Harry was an adult, working in the army, and more than old enough to know better. He is caught on video so there is no doubt that he actually said these things but it has never really been addressed. Harry vaguely says he is sorry for being racist in the past but doesn't address this particular incident.
I am amazed that Oprah Winfrey who is supposedly against racism did not address this incident with Harry presumably because the racism is directed towards brown rather than black people.

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 08:33

No one who is pro Meghan and Harry ever reply to a post about this particular incident of racism from Harry, apart from the poster who denied that it was racism.
I would like to hear from a pro M and H poster about how they can defend racism directed against Muslims

Readinginthesun · 08/12/2022 08:38

@anexcellentwoman
“You might excuse the dressing as a Nazi because he was young “

He was an adult ! In MN world he should have been out the door earning his living and standing on his own 2 feet .
The excuses that have been made over the years for H’s repeated racism appal me . My dear late father was a POW so I will never forgive H for parading around in a Nazi uniform.

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 08:57

Sorry @Readinginthesun. I know most people would find his behaviour abhorrent but I just don't get why such blatant racism towards Muslims is never mentioned. I really don't get why racism caught on video and undeniably from Harry is never mentioned by people like Oprah Winfrey

Readinginthesun · 08/12/2022 09:11

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 08:57

Sorry @Readinginthesun. I know most people would find his behaviour abhorrent but I just don't get why such blatant racism towards Muslims is never mentioned. I really don't get why racism caught on video and undeniably from Harry is never mentioned by people like Oprah Winfrey

I agree with you on that point . Selective memory .

MichelleScarn · 08/12/2022 09:15

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 08:57

Sorry @Readinginthesun. I know most people would find his behaviour abhorrent but I just don't get why such blatant racism towards Muslims is never mentioned. I really don't get why racism caught on video and undeniably from Harry is never mentioned by people like Oprah Winfrey

Ah but thats was just fun, silly Hazza, you know just japes and all in jest, no seriousness..... but if he's pointing at someone else, it's awful and against the wall for them!

SirChenjins · 08/12/2022 09:27

anexcellentwoman · 08/12/2022 08:57

Sorry @Readinginthesun. I know most people would find his behaviour abhorrent but I just don't get why such blatant racism towards Muslims is never mentioned. I really don't get why racism caught on video and undeniably from Harry is never mentioned by people like Oprah Winfrey

I agree.

Harry dresses up as a Nazi, makes a comment about how ’at least his own GF isn’t black’ and calls someone one of the most offensive racial slurs there is, and instead of get called out for it publicly he wins a bloody award for his work on racism?

Meanwhile someone in his family said something about the colour of his then unborn child’s skin (no names mentioned, uncertain timescales, not clear what exactly was said) and they’re the racist ones who need to be exposed?

You couldn’t make it up.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:38

Harrys racism is not okay. But he has apologised multiple times for it.
Are people never allowed to learn and change?

stuntbubbles · 08/12/2022 09:40

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:38

Harrys racism is not okay. But he has apologised multiple times for it.
Are people never allowed to learn and change?

Could you point us all in the direction of his multiple apologies, please?

I do believe he’s grown and changed, and I do think his younger actions are a product of his upbringing in that family. But I’ve never seen him explicitly address his own personal multiple instances of racism. Marrying a biracial woman doesn’t count! It’s not a panacea.

peaceandove · 08/12/2022 09:40

Never complain, never explain. The RF absolutely need to maintain a dignified silence, and ideally remove Harry & Meghan's titles unless they are in the UK doing official duties. Don't give them any attention, don't feed their fire. Pretty soon they will just fade away and live privately - which is just what they wanted, isn't it? Isn't it......?

BedTaker · 08/12/2022 09:42

Oh my god, I never knew that about Prince Harry using that sort of language, I only knew about the Nazi costume thing.

And now he has been given an award for 'highlighting racism in the Royal Family'? 😂

PicturesOfDogs · 08/12/2022 09:42

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:38

Harrys racism is not okay. But he has apologised multiple times for it.
Are people never allowed to learn and change?

It’s frustrating to keep reading people saying this.

Harry hasn’t apologised for calling someone the P word.
Never acknowledged it.

A spokesman apologised on his behalf at the time, but only saying he didn’t mean to upset his friend, not mention of how it would affect Asian people who saw that video. Brushed it off as banter basically.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:43

@stuntbubbles Just google. I have linked to it before on MN, everyone just ignores it and keeps on saying the same things.

Readinginthesun · 08/12/2022 09:49

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:43

@stuntbubbles Just google. I have linked to it before on MN, everyone just ignores it and keeps on saying the same things.

Because it’s true !? His spokesperson gave a half hearted sort of apology but Harry himself has never said sorry .

peaceandove · 08/12/2022 09:53

BadgerB · 07/12/2022 19:47

stuntbubbles · Today 19:42
That Prince Philip was going to arrange a car crash 👀

I can't believe that - too chancy. If they'd wanted to get rid of Diana an "overdose in a luxury Hotel" would have been easier to manage. Marilyn Monroe style. And as for arranging a car crash in a foreign capital - far too complicated.

I agree that arranging a car crash doesn't sound like a very efficient, guaranteed way to assassinate someone. Too many variables in play, surely? But I remember a book titled 'Death of a Princess' written by 2 ex MI6 operatives and they said that causing 'accidental' car crashes was a common method of getting rid of people. And, when they saw the footage about Diana's death they were certain she had been assassinated because of the supposed 'tells' e.g. the blinding light flash, the mysterious white Fiat, the security cameras in the tunnel 'malfunctioning'.

Still seems a highly risky method though.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:54

Why will none of you ever bloody google!

“Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term (Paki) can be, and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause,” the spokesman said.
“However, on this occasion three years ago, Prince Harry used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon.
“There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend.”
The spokesman said Harry had used “raghead” to mean a Taliban or Iraqi insurgent."
www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-harry-idUSTRE5092E720090111

The only member of the royal family who has had to apologize for being racist is Prince Harry'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9438597/The-royal-apologize-racist-Prince-Harry-Piers-Morgan-speaks-out.html

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 09:55

There are other apologies as well from Harry. Just google. And stop repeating lies.