Member of Household resigns

[myrtleWilson]

Awful story just broken on twitter about horrendous racist questioning from Lady Hussey to Ngozi Fulani from Sister Space at yesterdays VAWG event.

Lady Hussey has resigned.

[Edited by MNHQ to correct typo at OP's request]

You are diagnosing Lady Hussey with dementia instead of racism now?

Prince Harry commented on Serena Williams’s hairdo. He didn’t just say, “I like your new hairdo” , he called it a “vibe”

Yes, and it's not hard to imagine what the comments would have been had practically anyone else said the same
Strange, really, when it's so often insisted that Harry's "grown" and "changed"

"So you think a black woman experiencing racism should say nothing about it? Just stfu."

Yes of course of she was offended Ngozi should speak up. But maybe not on Twitter.

Now I shall indeed stfu as requested. But should I go on Twitter and bleat about your rudeness to a fellow mums net poster first? Telling anyone to stfu is rude.

How on earth anyone can view this interaction as anything other than racism is beyond me (and I’m white just for reference). With racism, there is an entire spectrum of awful behaviour that needs to be called out. Just because LSH is an elderly lady that has most likely lived in an elitist bubble her entire life, does not mean she is immune from being racist. Just because she would never scream foul language and physically attack a POC doesn’t mean she isn’t racist and that her behaviour should be somehow excused or dismissed. Racism exists everywhere, everyday. Micro aggressions / bias / out and out disgusting shitty language and aggression. It’s all the same and it should all be called out. Yes LSH may have dementia, we’ll probably never know. So in the meantime, I’d like to think without full possession of her medical reports, we can clearly say ‘do you know what, that interaction was racist, and it was shitty’.

F4chrissakes I’m not having a go, I really am interested in your answer, why do you think Ngozi shouldn’t have said anything on twitter? When women have publicly called out famous men for sexual harassment on twitter, do you think they should have kept quiet? My comparable example may not be the best, but I hope you can see why I’m wondering.

Calling something ‘a vibe’ is a compliment. A pretty standard commonplace compliment for lots of people, even if it hasn’t penetrated the subterranean Boden wearing ‘live in a village with one Black person’ depths of MN.

Shame Lady H couldn’t have just not been a dick. Why is it Black people’s job to do the work? ‘Gently educate’ my arse.

MN disgusts me sometimes. The fact that people like you walk amongst the rest of us is deeply depressing.

@RishisProudMum I thought it was clear the stfu was not aimed at you. I would never be so rude.
I was asking if they thought that black women experiencing racism should just stfu about that.

I think rishi was talking to f4chrissakes antelope.

Thank you for responding f4chrissakes. With regard to representing the Queen consort and not wishing to cause offence, I’m going to bet that offending a POC wasn’t on LSH radar - because she no doubt has a level of entitlement that means she cannot fathom caring. In her world, she is entitled to these answers from a POC.

I'm female. I'm a victim of some very nasty sexual assaults at the hands of men, the details of which I'll leave vague. I've been stalked, over a protracted period, twice. Then there is the lower-level stuff: whistling, catcalling, arse groping, rubbing up against me when there is no need. This is the 'overt' misogyny.

Then there's the covert misogyny: gender pay gap, fewer opportunities for women at a senior level, men talking over you in meetings, comments about the clothing you wear and your physical appearance, being taken less seriously by healthcare professionals, ad nauseam, on a daily basis.

I was deliberately targeted, and the reason I was targeted was because I was female. Then, as of #MeToo, I dared to talk about it on Twitter. The sex class who have subjected me to this wanted nothing more than for me to shut up and get back into my box, accused me of bandwagon jumping, waiting too many years to speak up, making a big old fuss about nothing, expected just to suck it up and get on with it in silence. Sometimes they were aided and abetted by other women. But mostly, the ones making these comments were men.

I'm disgusted that having already been a victim of VAWG and sexual assault, it seems they believe I should take a double-whammy of abuse for having had that dubious privilege. I'm incensed that the sex who have visited these injustices on me personally, now want to claim the right to tell me whether and how I should speak about that issue, and to control that narrative as well. I say to hell with that noise.

Translate these issues - all the result of misogyny - into racism and I can imagine Ngozi felt similarly furious. SHE was not the one approaching a complete stranger, manhandling her hair, and then proceeding to racially-profile her whilst a whole internet army of people who look like her interrogator make every excuse in the book for her, to play down her conduct, and to make Ngozi herself responsible for daring to have experienced blatant, out-and-out racism.

She can post about it on Twitter if she damned well likes.

Well, RishisProudMum and antelopevalley, it's clear that you don't agree with me. No need to be rude about it. STFU indeed.
It's good that we can discuss racism and our own perception of it, but does it have to get so nasty?

RishisProudMum says "MN disgusts me sometimes. The fact that people like you walk amongst the rest of us is deeply depressing."
Which I assume is aimed at me. How do you know if I'm walking or in a wheelchair? Are you being ableist now? Or am I taking offence where none is meant?

Part of the issue seems to have been that LH touched Ngozi’s hair which is a no- no and she clearly needs educated .
As does Harry .
Agree and hopefully he is now getting that education. I'm not sure about the rest of the RF.
Somebody mentioned Harry making a comment on Serena's hair I would say Harry probably has a very different relationship with Serena than NF does with LH.

Lastly - on holiday black people touching white peoples hair is that racist? Well how does it feel to you? if you don't like it speak up and if it feels like racism speak up - but I suspect some people see it as being fawned over or admired so haven't reached the point of finding it offensive or inappropriate.

I really really wish MN would ban all the racist posters. People who keep posting racism again and again and doubling down.
MN is becoming a site for white women.

antelope forgive me if this was on a different thread, but I read on here within the last couple of days that keeping comments like some of those on here highlighted that racism (particularly ‘micro aggressions’, bias) still very much exists rather than the comments being deleted and then others being able to claim racism doesn’t exist on here. Gosh I haven’t explained that very well 😩 I hope you get the jist of it anyway! I’m not saying it’s the right way to do it, it was just one school of thought.

Oh, I was talking to @F4chrissakes !

Shame that Ngozi couldn't have gently educated Lady H in how not to racially offend.

It's really not the job of people of colour to "educate" whites people, just as it isn't up to women to educate men, disabled people to educate the abled etc etc. What happened to taking the initiative and picking up a book?

I cannot agree with this post more. Rapists don’t wake up one day and decide that after years of being stand up, respectful guys that this will be the day they rape someone. There is a long period of micro aggressions - wolf whistling, “banter”, smacking bums etc etc that lead to that point.

There is also a scale of racist offences. It’s easy to know racism if it’s overt, but the micro aggressions should be called out as well. It isn’t up to white people to turn it back on the victim just because they don’t believe it’s racist.

I agree. Instead they just delete threads and the racists carry on.

No you are creating an argument for the sake of it. You are fully aware of what it means.

I guess you are happy as an adult with people touching your hair all the time because it is different from their own.