Harry and Meghan - lies?

[FurAndFeathers]

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

How do you know that? I'm glad you said 'probably' !

Could it be, they were unhappy with how they were treated by the MSM, they felt unsupported and just left. Nothing to do with monetising.

Just a thought.

You are saying an opinion. Not fact.

Hope that's a good 'tidy' !

Yes it was an opinion and a probably about what went on behind closed doors with the RF - but for completeness I will just tidy up your bit because it is indeed a fact not an opinion that they have since gone on to monetised (rather lucratively) the family rifts since they left.

Quite a 'tidy' there!

Yes. Just opinion.

Question still stands - how do you know what they probably did or didn’t do?

Oh you’re back to name calling and personal attacks as your primary contribution

good-oh - crack on

'And my point is that they probably never wanted to resolve anything either quietly with the family behind closed doors or publicly to bring about transformative institutional change……..they just wanted to personally monetise this opportunity - and they have succeeded in that.'

I would say that the filming/recording of every aspect of their lives, as seen in the NF, what, documentary, docudrama, drama certainly suggests they had an eye to future monetising.

So you actually have no idea what they did or didn’t try behind closed doors before eventually leaving the roles and lifestyle that brought them safety and privilege?

just confirmation bias and creative writing then.

@Roussette
“Could it be, they were unhappy with how they were treated by the MSM, they felt unsupported and just left. Nothing to do with monetising.”

They left because they didn’t get the arrangement they wanted . No matter how many times people try to portray H and M as victims fleeing the beastly U.K. press and Royal Family , the fact remains that they didn’t want to leave ( as per their statement in early 2020.

Quite possibly.

that doesn’t mean they didn’t try very hard to address the challenges they faced and the institutional racism they experienced before they left.
Its simply an assumption.

…she sent an email via Knauf with some background information. That's all.

The emails sent/received by Jason Knauf only cover the period from when he was their Director of Communications, which ended at the end of 2018. His evidence was that during that time he and the Sussexes discussed the book on a routine basis, and he passed onto Scobie the notes the Duchess drafted for him.

That evidence covered the start of the Sussexes relationship with the author Omid Scobie. It is quite clear that after that point they became much closer - a few months later Scobie was given exclusives around Archie’s names and titles etc after his birth, for example, and he became an integral part of their team, as he remains. And the book evolved from a Meghan biography into an account of their departure.

So it is quite clear that the evidence given by Knauf only showed the very start of the relationship. The content of Finding Freedom makes it quite clear that he was given far far more information from Meghan than her notes about the Markle family.

Incredible how posters on Mumsnet absolutely KNOW the confidential inner conversations of the Royal family.
remarkable really!

This was my issue with the docuseries.
Lots of vague insinuations and talks of how they felt situations were, but no facts to back it up.

Lots of ‘they’ did this, and ‘they’ wanted this to happen, but who is they?
And what did they do? Show us evidence! Not just how you felt in general, but actual examples. Is ‘they’ the family? The ‘institution’? The media? The ‘men in grey suits’? Who are you talking about?

Even the few examples given were vague and without substance.
My brother screamed and shouted - about what?
My father said things that weren’t true - such as? Give us an example!
Look at this text from my brother - well, what does it say?
My grandfathers funeral was spent with them going on about the ‘misunderstanding’ of the situation- what situation? What misunderstanding?

There was 6 hours of this, absolutely nothing of substance.
Someone else said it perfectly on another thread - Shit or get off the pot!

If I felt unsupported, I would probably do the same. Harry said in the NF series (if you've watched it?) they offered different possibilities. Yes I agree the UK press was 'beastly' (a bit of a mild term for the vile press to be honest)

Lol. Exactly!

Incredible how posters on Mumsnet absolutely KNOW the confidential inner conversations of the Royal family.

We don’t need to speculate about their reasons for leaving in January 2020. They set it out in great detail on their SussexRoyal website. They wanted to carve out a progressive new role that left them free to earn a private income (something they were at pains to point out they were currently banned from doing) while still proudly representing the royal family and collaborating with the Queen.

So yes, monetising their positions was front and centre in their website statements. There was a whole page on their new financial arrangements.

Harry and Meghan left the UK after they'd been married barely 18 months. I'm not sure they gave it much time to address the challenges they faced - the move must have been planned for some time prior to them actually going to Canada too.

As far as people knowing the conversations which took place, they have said they wanted the 'in/out' version - to support the Queen but be able to make money fund themselves. That's not confidential, that's what Harry and Meghan actually said.

@Serenster

along with ‘service is universal’ and no-one owns ‘royal’ flashes of petulance.

tells us all we need to know

Why do people call her markle?
never hear Kate called Middleton.
i don’t know Sophie’s surname

@Samcro

kate is regularly referred to as Middleton on threads ?

It's just derogatory. Harkles. MeAgain. Meeegain.
And I've heard a helluva lot worse on here as far as names for them. It's dehumanising them
Pathetic.

Never ever 'Middleton'.

Kate Middleton, yes.

Probably!

That’s not what people are speculating about though

I've never seen her referred to as Middleton.

@MarshaMelrose

I thought the poster meant using their single surname,