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The royal family

Harry and Meghan - lies?

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 19:51

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

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Roussette · 30/12/2022 15:18

*about them

Blip · 30/12/2022 15:28

@Roussette you are now bringing up a completely separate point as a distract or from the lie that you told about me which you are unable to substantiate.

Please stop gaslighting me.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 15:35

Blip · 30/12/2022 15:28

@Roussette you are now bringing up a completely separate point as a distract or from the lie that you told about me which you are unable to substantiate.

Please stop gaslighting me.

This is very tiresome. I am not gaslighting. I take from your posts that support of H&M is divisive and polarising because that is what you said. And if you are OK with posters disagreeing with you, all well and good.

Let's leave it there, it's very boring for everyone else on this thread.

Samcro · 30/12/2022 15:53

are people really complaining that people who are "pro" post on these threads?
maybe those posters should go back to PLMN . as anyone who is considered pro is often told, anyone can post on these threads and well otherwise it would be an echo chamber.

Diverseopinions · 30/12/2022 15:59

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 15:16

It is extremely cyclical which makes one wonder whether it is worth being so invested in one side of the family or the other. They are all feeding from the same trough so it is a false polarization in any case.

agreed.

there are echoes of the Yorks, of Edward and Wallace etc etc.

it’s basically Eastenders for rich people 😂

I think it’s the vitriol of some that fascinates me. There is a lot of deeply venomous posting against two people we’re unlikely to meet or who will affect our lives in any way. It seems a very negative way to focus emotions

I feel like I'm supporting Catherine, Princess of Wales, and I feel it's a good use of my emotion and thinking. She has done very well I think to use her royal role to shine a light on community volunteers rather than trying to make herself into this huge star, by trying to look sexy all the time, and being papped hanging about with edgy stars. She isn't making it about her missions, her campaigns, her dominance of the world media. Her family, the Middletons, are supportive of her and her husband, without trying to generate a lot of me-time and publicity for themselves.

If you don't value the Monarchy, than it all matters nowt. If, like me, you do, then what Kate has done is pleasing and admirable. She and her husband represent the British nation in a dignified and appropriate way.

In my own view, the only way to make the Monarchy work is to focus on the key role of thanking volunteers, meeting foreign heads of state and doing the Constitutional parliamentary bit. I think other initiatives can be risky and are largely unnecessary.

It is Meghan and Harry saying unkind things publicly about individuals in the Royal Family, not the other way round. That's why people like me are critical of them. The Royals have so much privilege that they shouldn't moan.

Just as a human being, I think, like a lot of people: "Can you not just leave it?". They've had their nice invitation to the funeral; they've had no flack; they are still Duke and Duchess of Sussex, whatever that old-fashioned title, meant for working royals, means in California. They are loaded, thanks to making millions by dishing dirt on Harry's family. They make accusations which protocol presents the Royal Family from defending themselves against.

Can H and M not just shut the f* up.

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:00

What you actually said Rousette is
"Blip
"yet it's OK according to you for hundreds of threads slagging the couple off to carry on without any pushback."

I'm quite sure it is "tiresome" for you to be highlighted telling lies, whitewashing them and gaslighting me. But that's clearly on you.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 16:09

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:00

What you actually said Rousette is
"Blip
"yet it's OK according to you for hundreds of threads slagging the couple off to carry on without any pushback."

I'm quite sure it is "tiresome" for you to be highlighted telling lies, whitewashing them and gaslighting me. But that's clearly on you.

Yet again. I am not telling lies. I repeated what you actually posted more than once. And the inference from it is... you want an echo chamber. Because supporters of H&M are divisive and polarising. (your words)

"yet it's OK according to you for hundreds of threads slagging the couple off to carry on without any pushback"

I assume you are OK then with any amount of pushback. Is that correct? Good. Because I will be carrying on with my push back and would appreciate not being called divisive and polarising for doing so.
As I said 4 posts ago. We have a different opinion, that is all.

I would also appreciate you not calling me a liar that is whitewashing and gaslighting.

I won't be responding to you again on this. So you say what you want about me if that is your thing this afternoon.

Enjoy the rest of your Friday.

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:10

Samcro no you have got this wrong, nobody has said that, what exactly makes you think it?

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 16:11

Diverseopinions · 30/12/2022 15:59

I feel like I'm supporting Catherine, Princess of Wales, and I feel it's a good use of my emotion and thinking. She has done very well I think to use her royal role to shine a light on community volunteers rather than trying to make herself into this huge star, by trying to look sexy all the time, and being papped hanging about with edgy stars. She isn't making it about her missions, her campaigns, her dominance of the world media. Her family, the Middletons, are supportive of her and her husband, without trying to generate a lot of me-time and publicity for themselves.

If you don't value the Monarchy, than it all matters nowt. If, like me, you do, then what Kate has done is pleasing and admirable. She and her husband represent the British nation in a dignified and appropriate way.

In my own view, the only way to make the Monarchy work is to focus on the key role of thanking volunteers, meeting foreign heads of state and doing the Constitutional parliamentary bit. I think other initiatives can be risky and are largely unnecessary.

It is Meghan and Harry saying unkind things publicly about individuals in the Royal Family, not the other way round. That's why people like me are critical of them. The Royals have so much privilege that they shouldn't moan.

Just as a human being, I think, like a lot of people: "Can you not just leave it?". They've had their nice invitation to the funeral; they've had no flack; they are still Duke and Duchess of Sussex, whatever that old-fashioned title, meant for working royals, means in California. They are loaded, thanks to making millions by dishing dirt on Harry's family. They make accusations which protocol presents the Royal Family from defending themselves against.

Can H and M not just shut the f* up.

Do you genuinely not see the unpleasantness in your post?

you aren’t ‘supporting Catherine’ you’re using her to make digs against Meghan before continuing with an unmasked attack on H&M

if you think that’s a good use of your emotional energy then crack on, but the faux-positivity fools no one.

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Blip · 30/12/2022 16:12

"Enjoy the rest of your Friday."

I don't appreciate the passive aggression of this comment either.

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:14

Rousette so now you have admitted that you have been inferring things that I have not actually said.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 16:17

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:12

"Enjoy the rest of your Friday."

I don't appreciate the passive aggression of this comment either.

For god's sake! I'm a liar, I'm passive aggressive, I'm gaslighting, anything else?! Stop throwing insults about! I am genuinely trying to draw a line under a series of posts between us and actually hope you do enjoy the rest of your Friday!

Mine involves 🍷 and 🍕. It's nice to be back to a normal Friday and I'm sick of turkey and gammon!

Samcro · 30/12/2022 16:17

@Roussette i think someone is trying to get you deleted/banned. ignore.
sometimes when things are not going their way people try to get these threads or poster deleted.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 16:19

Samcro · 30/12/2022 16:17

@Roussette i think someone is trying to get you deleted/banned. ignore.
sometimes when things are not going their way people try to get these threads or poster deleted.

Well.... my answer to it is an early glass of wine.... I'm going for it shortly!

Or another episode of 'Marie Antoinette' maybe before the wine! I seriously recommend it, I am hooked. Looking into 18th century French royalty is something else!

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 16:22

Blip · 30/12/2022 16:12

"Enjoy the rest of your Friday."

I don't appreciate the passive aggression of this comment either.

To be fair you don’t seem to appreciate any view that doesn’t align exactly with your own 😁

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Samcro · 30/12/2022 16:23

Roussette · 30/12/2022 16:19

Well.... my answer to it is an early glass of wine.... I'm going for it shortly!

Or another episode of 'Marie Antoinette' maybe before the wine! I seriously recommend it, I am hooked. Looking into 18th century French royalty is something else!

i am just sad there is no criminal minds tonight

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 16:44

Or another episode of 'Marie Antoinette' maybe before the wine! I seriously recommend it, I am hooked. Looking into 18th century French royalty is something else!

Which channel / platform @Roussette ?

MarshaMelrose · 30/12/2022 16:52

ladygindiva · 30/12/2022 12:17

Meghan might have reason to seriously doubt this (correctly or not) judging by how she was treated by the press.

But she's married to Harry and the codes of practice were made specifically to protect Harry and William after Diana's death so he'll know them better than most. She didn't live in some sort of bubble where no one spoke to her or she couldn't get information. She saw how the press behaved around WACs children so she must have known the codes were being adhered to.

MarshaMelrose · 30/12/2022 16:54

@Aspiringmatriarch
And the Jason Knauf emails showed she wasn't keen to have anything to do with the Scobie book but was advised by Knauf/the Palace not to be obstructive to avoid the book becoming a hatchet job. But people still claim it was basically ghostwritten for her - she sent an email via Knauf with some background information. That's all.

Is that right, though? Do you have a link to that
email where she said she didn't want to cooperate? This was reported from the court case in the Evening Standard..

Mr Knauf advised Prince Harry that it was “not a good idea” for Meghan to be directly involved in the book, as they should be “able to say hand on heart that we did not facilitate access will be important.”

That doesn't sound like they're trying to persuade her to be involved. And Harry wants more than background info passed on. And would like to speak to them directly himself. That doesn't sound like he doesn't want to be involved either.

Messages from Harry about Finding Freedom said: '…I totally agree that we have to be able to say we didn’t have anything to do with it. Equally, you giving the right context and background to them would help get some truths out there. The truth is v much needed and would be appreciated, especially around the Markle/wedding stuff but at the same time we can’t put them directly in touch with her friends.'

'are u planning on giving them a rough idea of what she’s been through over the last 2yrs?Media onslaught, cyber bullying on a different scale, puppeteering Thomas Markle etc etc etc. Even if they choose not to use it, they should hear what it was like from someone who was in the thick of it. So if you aren’t planning on telling them, can I ?!'

We don't know what Knauf did inform the writers about what she'd been through but we do know on top of providing a lot of background info on herself and family members, she also took the opportunity to correct stories from the press.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 16:56

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 16:44

Or another episode of 'Marie Antoinette' maybe before the wine! I seriously recommend it, I am hooked. Looking into 18th century French royalty is something else!

Which channel / platform @Roussette ?

BBC2 first episode last night but all episodes streaming on iPlayer.

I've never come across a more bitchy court in my life, not that I know anything about royal courts of course!
Plenty of curtseying and bonking each other!

Beautiful costumes and Palace of Versailles (which I've been to) if it's re-created is spot on.

LaMarschallin · 30/12/2022 17:15

It's nice to be back to a normal Friday and I'm sick of turkey and gammon!

See, I've just lugged a weighty piece of gammon out of its stock ready to be finished off tomorrow, but it's the first we've had this festive season.
Thought I'd have a quick catch up on the threads here before "Pointless", but no chance!
Can't believe how they've grown over Christmas. It was nice to see a few Christmas wishes amidst the wrangling, so with that in mind - a happy, healthy and peaceful New Year to all (or, at least, anybody reading this) SmileWine

Roussette · 30/12/2022 17:16

@LaMarschallin
And to you, and a Happy New Year! 🍷🍸😊

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 17:19

BBC2 first episode last night but all episodes streaming on iPlayer.

Thanks I will start this evening Smile

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 17:22

Roussette · 30/12/2022 17:16

@LaMarschallin
And to you, and a Happy New Year! 🍷🍸😊

Yes happy New Year to everyone 🥂😊

Roussette · 30/12/2022 17:26

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 17:19

BBC2 first episode last night but all episodes streaming on iPlayer.

Thanks I will start this evening Smile

I hope you enjoy it. I had fixed ideas about Marie Antionette which so far have been totally dispelled.

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