Harry and Meghan - lies?

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Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

Bump? Or have I misunderstood other posts and they’re truthful?

I am very pro M&H but the press print such utter garbage I don't think anyone can say who is lying.

I do know the DM keep losing in court though.

Ah, if only you'd seen the other million and one threads with all the links in before they were deleted OP. Never mind.

I wouldn't say "lies" as such; more "their" truth through "their lens."
It doesn't seem to be the same version of events as others would relate.
Which appears to be what the Queen was referring to when she said, "recollections may vary."

I didn’t. I don’t frequent the Royal boards. My interest was piqued by the ongoing allegations of ‘lies’ I keep seeing on the book threads.

I guess that’s why I asked for a factual discussion, so as to avoid deletions due to defamation (and because I’m personally interested in facts rather than personal dislikes)

Following as I would like to know too

Thanks! Glad I’m not alone 😊

That they were married in a garden by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the service in St George's chapel was 'just' for TV.

My nephew works for the RF.
He says they are liars.

I believe him. He has no reason to lie to me.

But about what?

For me, it was the whole BS of “we want our privacy” and now you can’t move for the amount of garbage they’re spewing on social media, TV, books, interviews… madness. I used to like Harry but I think he hides behind Meghan to do the things he wanted to do, such as step away from the royal family. I can’t stand the pair of them. If they really did move away from the UK to live a private life, then fair enough, but to keep coming back time and time again with new accusations, new ways to attack the queen and the family, it’s just screams of pettiness and jealousy. At least Kate M handles herself with grace and plays the game well!

Well… M said that if she’d have taken her dcs to school in England, she’d have been followed by paparazzi. Kate has done it for several years without that happening. Not a massive lie but definitely not true.

Thank you!

I’ve found a news article that quotes Meghan as “"No-one knows that. But we called the archbishop and we just said: 'Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world, but we want our union between us.'
"So the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury."

I can understand as a pp said how that could simply be a difference of perspective. Like Meredith and McDreamy ‘marrying’ via post-it but then needing to have a legal ceremony later for their adoption of Zola (Greys anatomy).

I guess Meghan and Harry could have finalised their vows with the archbishop and that could be more meaningful to them than the public ceremony. What a couple perceive as their personal union/marriage might not be the same as the legal certification of marriage.

not sure I’d class that as a ‘lie’ - though I suppose it technically is, I don’t find it particularly concerning

It would be great if folks could post some sources please? And be more specific.

opinions aren’t really that helpful - thank you

Well the story about them getting married in the garden with just them and the Arch Bishop of Canterbury 3 days before the actual event was a massive porkie pie, as the arch bish himself was forced to confirm. So if someone can lie about something as big as that, what else isn't true?

Hasnt this just been twisted from what was said. To me she was saying it was a blessing type ceremony and to them that was the wedding.
People do it all the time. Do the legal stuff one day then have a blessing, they consider that their wedding day.

Meghan lied to the court. She gave evidence that she had not asked an aide to brief the authors of Finding Freedom. She later had to apologise to the court for "misremembering" that she had given that aide a written list of suggested talking points to take to those authors.

The list that Meghan wrote included personal information about her sister's circumstances in order to discredit her sister in the public eye - stuff about how her sister had had her children taken into care.

She not only a liar, she's a pretty unpleasant person.

Why did they say that out of interest?

Sorry so just to be clear. You feel they lied about privacy?

I’d say they have more of that in the USA than as working Royals (and certainly more autonomy over what is released, which is perhaps more important).

their children are certainly more shielded than W&K’s kids and we don’t have the weekly news reports comparing Meghan to Kate, criticising her dress etc.

In Meghan’s court case against the Mail one of the issues was the extent (if any) to which Meghan had collaborated with Omid Scobie on the book “Finding Freedom”.

In a signed statement Meghan’s solicitor denied that Meghan had spoken to Omid Scobie or given authority to anyone to speak to him on her behalf.

Meghan herself described the allegations that she had in any way assisted Scobie as “false, fantastical” and a “conspiracy theory”. She denied that she had been given any opportunity to fact check. “It had nothing to do with me” she claimed in her signed statement.

Omid himself also gave a signed statement “Any suggestion that the Duke and Duchess collaborated on the book is false”.

Three statements that were sworn to be true, three clear denials.

Meghan first had to resile on the “I had not been given any opportunity to fact check” assertion and admitted to the court that in fact one of her staff members had actually done this on Meghan’s behalf.

Faced with her actual emails from the time, Meghan later then had to apologise and accept that she had in fact drafted lengthy notes specifically for her press officer to hand to Omid Scobie for his book and had also authorised him to speak to Omid Scobie on her behalf. Harry had also said in those emails that it was important for him and Meghan to be able to say that they had nothing to do with the book. So it wasn’t a false conspiracy theory at all - it was true, but they had not wanted it to come out.

She was criticised by the judge for misleading the court. Judicial speak for she lied - all three of them lied in fact, clearly intentionally.

Could you link to sources please? Thank you

Thank you. That’s really helpful

No that’s not what she said. Did you see the Oprah interview? She said they got married a few days before the wedding, just them and the Archbishop. Oprah was all “whaaat?” and looking impressed. The next day there were comments in the press that this is impossible. A marriage has to have witnesses plus the Archbishop would never conduct a sham wedding for a couple that were already legally married.
She was definitely saying they had a little secret wedding and the big ceremony was for show. Which can’t possibly be true.

Maybe the bit where she said the cast of the Lion King thought here marrying into the royal family was like Mandela getting out of prison? No one who was there that night recalls having said this or overheard it. Doesn't mean it's not true I suppose, but she sure doesn't seem to interpret events like everyone else does.

I don’t have a problem with the nitty gritty of what happened in the back garden with the archbishop. It was the ‘this spectacle is for the world’. They wanted their big day. M was divorced. There was no need for a big white wedding. They could have had something like PC and Camilla’s but they act like they were doing the world a favour by having a big public white wedding. It cost millions in security which would have been better spent elsewhere. I feel the same about Eugenie’s wedding btw. Utterly over the top and at our expense. Sorry for going off topic.