Harry and Meghan - lies?

[FurAndFeathers]

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

And the link about John Kani. He claims to have never met her let alone said those things to her.

www.lbc.co.uk/news/meghan-markle-nelson-mandela-lion-king-actor/

Princess Michael, Prince Phillip’s racist comments overseas, the exemption from applying the equalities act to palace employees, the bar on PoC working for the family until the 1960s, the refusal of the Queen to acknowledge or make reparations for the impact of racism and the space trade on devastated Caribbean countries.

and all that is well before Meghan and Harry’s claims.

it certainly hints at a pattern of institutional racism, or at the very least provides no substance to indicate that Harry and Meghan lied, which is what I asked for.

Her claim in the OW interview that security is linked to titles and if Archie didn’t get a title, he wouldn’t get security. Security is linked to perceived threat as clearly there are limited resources and you can’t give everyone with a title a protection team. M may not have grasped that but H did, so you could let M off but not H.

That may be true.

which leads me back to the fact that there seems to be scant evidence to support the accusations of lying.

it seems the main one is that they briefed the author of Finding Freedom but said that didn’t

is that it?

You say ‘equalities act’. Can you be specific about the piece of legislation to which you believe the RF had an exemption?

Don’t worry Op. I researched my own question as I was interested.

Thank you!

that’s definitely a bizarre one!

@FurAndFeathers okie dokie honey.

Not the most compelling argument 😁

as I said I don’t want this to descend into defamation. If you have any sources that confirm claims of racism are false I’d be interested to read them.

Very first google hit when you type in your very question.
www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/the-17-lies-piers-morgan-claims-meghan-markle-told-in-oprah-interview/news-story/9882f8f96cad47ad5b9587081245a6b4?amp

I think they need to keep themselves relevant. There is only one way they can do that - is it lies or half truths - who knows. But I do think they are behaving like spoiled brats who are so wrapped up in their own self importance they give no thought to how devastating it must be for their loved ones to constantly be used in such a way.

I wish the British and World press would give them the privacy they wanted - and stop giving them air time / column inches

Thank you - I wouldn’t usually be convinced by PM as a soy ce, but those seem to have been corroborated, very helpful

Ummmm… ok 🤷‍♀️

Since you say you want specifics, Fur and Feathers…

Meghan told Oprah that she had her passport taken off her when she joined the Royal Family.She also said:

“I mean, there was a day that one of the members of the family, she came over, and she said, ‘Why don’t you just lay low for a little while, because you are everywhere right now’. And I said, ‘I’ve left the house twice in four months. I’m everywhere, but I am nowhere’..... And so, there was very little that I was allowed to do.”

Meghan and Harry were married in May 2018 and went on honeymoon - rumoured to be in the Seychelles.

From June 2018 - 22 March 2019 Meghan had numerous public engagements every month. Archie was of course born on 6 May 2019, so Meghan was then on maternity leave, but she picked up again in June and July 2019. She had no engagements in August 2019, then started up again in September, October and November 2019 with public engagements.

In this same period she and Harry also made official trips to Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji (October 2018) , Morocco (February 2019) and South Africa (September 2019).

In addition to all of the above Meghan (often, but not always, with Harry) made at least 10 private trips (that we know of), including to Toronto, Lake Como (twice), the South of France, New York (twice), Amsterdam and Canada.

It is quite clear that Meghan was not trapped in her home nor subject to any constraints on her travel or her ability to do what she wanted. We also know from the court proceedings that her press office would lie to the press on her behalf to make sure she could travel secretly (her staff denied to the press that she was in Toronto in August 2018, for example, when her emails expressly stated that she was).

That last point also disproves something she said to Oprah - that the Palace would lie for others, but not for her. They did in fact lie to the Press for her on numerous occasions.

Agreed.

Because as explained in my OP I don’t know what the alleged lies are.

there are many more knowledgeable posters than me on this subject so it seems reasonable to ask them.

Rubbish. You have absolutely no idea if the posters on here are speaking the truth.

Stuff like them getting married privately: that obviously is not true, because it is not allowed by law in this country. So then it is a case of, did Megan misunderstand, or was she actually blatantly lying? Again, depends on which side of the debate you are on. But this sort of thing has been reported in the Press and social media, so if you are really interested I'm sure you could find out details about coming on here.

• rather than come on here.

I think she is a narcissist and proven liar. People tend to sweep dislike of Meg into the racism pile but I genuinely think she has bad intentions and Harry will end up hurt, chewed up and spat out at the end.

She is charismatic and intelligent however but definitely a liar. Similar to Amber Heard/Olivia Wilde - ambitious, opportunistic and manipulative.

I think the fact is that they misled the court as has been explained to you earlier in the thread. The court report is widely available

OP I agree that so often people say M is a liar but don’t say exactly what those lies are.

Having said that, there are a number of things she has said which I struggle to believe are true.

1. That she had her passport taken from her
2. That she was refused mental health care
3. That the British press called her N word
4. That M and H were married in secret before the public wedding

I have no interest in protecting the British press or the RF and I do think there is racism in both institutions BUT her accusations come across as he type of stories that Americans would believe about the British. British upper class racism exists but it is very very subtle indeed. The British upper classes are also perhaps my re reticent about sharing their feelings but Oh think it is absurd to say that they would not facilitate mental health care.

it seems the main one is that they briefed the author of Finding Freedom but said that didn’t
is that it?

You may not be aware, but misleading the court (and procuring others to do so on your behalf - here, Meghan getting her lawyer to file an untrue statement on her behalf) is extremely serious.

If you have a job that requires you to demonstrate your integrity - a solicitor, a barrister, or someone holding a senior role in financial services for example - you would no longer be able to do so. It would be a career-ending event for most people.

😅 such an innocent post. Nice idea

I was going to post some stuff I had researched on this thread but then realized there is no point. I am not going to change anyone's mind and I am not sure the OP has the purest of intentions with this thread.

"Is that it?" Are you for real? Do you understand how serious it is to lie to a court? This isn't just a little porky pie, it's concrete evidence of heavy-duty lying.

@FurAndFeathers you seem a little too eager to prove the point. Nice engagement though