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Harry and Meghan - lies?

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 19:51

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

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Coronateachingagain · 28/10/2022 22:26

onlylarkin · 28/10/2022 22:22

I was going to post some stuff I had researched on this thread but then realized there is no point. I am not going to change anyone's mind and I am not sure the OP has the purest of intentions with this thread.

Totally

Rushingfool · 28/10/2022 22:40

FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 21:41

Princess Michael, Prince Phillip’s racist comments overseas, the exemption from applying the equalities act to palace employees, the bar on PoC working for the family until the 1960s, the refusal of the Queen to acknowledge or make reparations for the impact of racism and the space trade on devastated Caribbean countries.

and all that is well before Meghan and Harry’s claims.

it certainly hints at a pattern of institutional racism, or at the very least provides no substance to indicate that Harry and Meghan lied, which is what I asked for.

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With respect @FurAndFeathers, for someone who claims not to know much about the Royal Family and just looking for info from people 'who know more than' them, you seem to know an awful lot.

I don't think you're just an innocent bystander I'm afraid. This is weird.

ArcaneWireless · 28/10/2022 22:44

Yet another wide eyed ingenue thread.

Funny that there are so many who start these threads who make on they know nowt just to try and whirl the pot.

And the result of that is frothy pish.

AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 22:46

Out of interest, what were the repercussions of the Duchess apologising to court for 'misremembering', for everyone involved?

Was it just a, 'yeah ok cheers' moment?

OooooSweetVampireOMine · 28/10/2022 22:51

@AnneLovesGilbert lots of the stuff they said in the Oprah interview was complete bollox. My family member works in the royal
household.
It's not just a random opinion.

Serenster · 28/10/2022 22:56

AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 22:46

Out of interest, what were the repercussions of the Duchess apologising to court for 'misremembering', for everyone involved?

Was it just a, 'yeah ok cheers' moment?

In reputational terms, she is a proven liar. Not great for her brand, really.

In real terms, there were no concrete effects. Despite what you might think, it is incredibly unusual for perjury charges to be laid, despite the fact that intentionally misleading a court is a criminal offence. Jeffrey Archer and Jonathan Aiken were exceptional cases.

Isaidnoalready · 28/10/2022 23:00

A lot of the headlines that were put in the Oprah interview which were supposed to represent the British press were actually overseas press again its all distractions manipulation

The claim that she was denied mental health support I don't doubt that they said she couldn't check herself into the priory its simply not the done thing for the royal family but she would have been offered the best of care diana was Harry was William was

Attacking the royal family is a bit like abusing a brick wall you can hit it all you like it can never hit you back

MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 28/10/2022 23:04

I watched their wedding and was pleased for the both of them, then when they decided to leave the RF and moved to Vancouver (or Toronto?) they said they wanted a private life, which again I respected. Harry had a £10 million inheritance from his mother and goodness knows what from his father and the Civil List, they could have carved a very private, very comfortable life in Canada, they could have assimilated into a community and the fascination would have worn off. But no, in order to make a ‘normal’ life for themselves they moved to LA for goodness sake and have courted publicity constantly since. That made everything seem like a lie to me unfortunately.

elephantseal · 28/10/2022 23:05

I guess Meghan and Harry could have finalised their vows with the archbishop and that could be more meaningful to them than the public ceremony. What a couple perceive as their personal union/marriage might not be the same as the legal certification of marriage.

not sure I’d class that as a ‘lie’ - though I suppose it technically is, I don’t find it particularly concerning

@FurAndFeathers - it was a lie. They weren't married in the garden. It was a wedding rehearsal. Confirmed by Justin Welby, the archbishop who married them: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56587992.amp

BreadInCaptivity · 28/10/2022 23:12

Harry in the OW interview talking about how his father had never taken him out on a bike and he wanted that for his family.

Pictures of Harry with parents on bike then were published.

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/gallery/20210311108679/prince-harry-riding-bicycle-prince-charles-childhood-photos/4/

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 23:13

Serenster · 28/10/2022 22:05

Since you say you want specifics, Fur and Feathers…

Meghan told Oprah that she had her passport taken off her when she joined the Royal Family.She also said:

“I mean, there was a day that one of the members of the family, she came over, and she said, ‘Why don’t you just lay low for a little while, because you are everywhere right now’. And I said, ‘I’ve left the house twice in four months. I’m everywhere, but I am nowhere’..... And so, there was very little that I was allowed to do.”

Meghan and Harry were married in May 2018 and went on honeymoon - rumoured to be in the Seychelles.

From June 2018 - 22 March 2019 Meghan had numerous public engagements every month. Archie was of course born on 6 May 2019, so Meghan was then on maternity leave, but she picked up again in June and July 2019. She had no engagements in August 2019, then started up again in September, October and November 2019 with public engagements.

In this same period she and Harry also made official trips to Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji (October 2018) , Morocco (February 2019) and South Africa (September 2019).

In addition to all of the above Meghan (often, but not always, with Harry) made at least 10 private trips (that we know of), including to Toronto, Lake Como (twice), the South of France, New York (twice), Amsterdam and Canada.

It is quite clear that Meghan was not trapped in her home nor subject to any constraints on her travel or her ability to do what she wanted. We also know from the court proceedings that her press office would lie to the press on her behalf to make sure she could travel secretly (her staff denied to the press that she was in Toronto in August 2018, for example, when her emails expressly stated that she was).

That last point also disproves something she said to Oprah - that the Palace would lie for others, but not for her. They did in fact lie to the Press for her on numerous occasions.

Thanks yes the passport one is another bizarre one isn’ it! Definitely seems to be untrue!

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Gilmorehill · 28/10/2022 23:14

AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 22:46

Out of interest, what were the repercussions of the Duchess apologising to court for 'misremembering', for everyone involved?

Was it just a, 'yeah ok cheers' moment?

No repercussions but of course they are too privileged.

Coronateachingagain · 28/10/2022 23:14

AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 22:46

Out of interest, what were the repercussions of the Duchess apologising to court for 'misremembering', for everyone involved?

Was it just a, 'yeah ok cheers' moment?

Pretty much so. But do you think she cares

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 23:16

Byfleet · 28/10/2022 22:19

OP I agree that so often people say M is a liar but don’t say exactly what those lies are.

Having said that, there are a number of things she has said which I struggle to believe are true.

  1. That she had her passport taken from her
  2. That she was refused mental health care
  3. That the British press called her N word
  4. That M and H were married in secret before the public wedding

I have no interest in protecting the British press or the RF and I do think there is racism in both institutions BUT her accusations come across as he type of stories that Americans would believe about the British. British upper class racism exists but it is very very subtle indeed. The British upper classes are also perhaps my re reticent about sharing their feelings but Oh think it is absurd to say that they would not facilitate mental health care.

Yep most of those plus the lying in court about FF certainly seem to be corroborated by multiple sources. I hadn’t heard the one about the Press calling her the N-word - not in print surely? That would be easy to corroborative.

there were certainly more ‘creative’ insinuations made about her race

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Gilmorehill · 28/10/2022 23:16

elephantseal · 28/10/2022 23:05

I guess Meghan and Harry could have finalised their vows with the archbishop and that could be more meaningful to them than the public ceremony. What a couple perceive as their personal union/marriage might not be the same as the legal certification of marriage.

not sure I’d class that as a ‘lie’ - though I suppose it technically is, I don’t find it particularly concerning

@FurAndFeathers - it was a lie. They weren't married in the garden. It was a wedding rehearsal. Confirmed by Justin Welby, the archbishop who married them: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56587992.amp

Wedding rehearsals tend to be in the actual location of the official ceremony. M said ‘we got married’.

elephantseal · 28/10/2022 23:17

@FurAndFeathers - Princess Michael, Prince Phillip’s racist comments overseas, the exemption from applying the equalities act to palace employees, the bar on PoC working for the family until the 1960s, the refusal of the Queen to acknowledge or make reparations for the impact of racism and the space trade on devastated Caribbean countries.

If you 'know' all these things, why don't you do your own research on Harry and Meghan?? Really odd.

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 23:18

LessValuable · 28/10/2022 22:22

"Is that it?" Are you for real? Do you understand how serious it is to lie to a court? This isn't just a little porky pie, it's concrete evidence of heavy-duty lying.

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thanks yes I get it

i think @Serenster has outlined it nicely

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Whereisthehugeteddybear · 28/10/2022 23:18

When they needed mental health help they had to go through the Palace (who wouldn't allow help , although Harry had previously talked about having therapy and was patron on a MH charity) ....but when they wanted to contact the Archbishop of Canterbury they were able to do that secretly, presumably without any input from the Palace

AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 23:20

This thread has more reverse shunts than the Morningston Crescent one

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 23:20

Rushingfool · 28/10/2022 22:40

With respect @FurAndFeathers, for someone who claims not to know much about the Royal Family and just looking for info from people 'who know more than' them, you seem to know an awful lot.

I don't think you're just an innocent bystander I'm afraid. This is weird.

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I know a fair bit about institutional racism.

it’s not the same thing

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AutumnsCrow · 28/10/2022 23:20

Mornington Crescent

I do sometimes know how to type

pumpkinscoop · 28/10/2022 23:20

Faux naivety mefinks....

BreadInCaptivity · 28/10/2022 23:20

Also Harry talking (again with OW) about his father had cut him off financially.

Please bear in mind he'd "resigned" from a job and then expected to keep being paid for it - to the tune of over £1m pa.

Harry responded that the issue was a discrepancy in financial timing Hmm when accounts from Clarence House showed he'd been given substantial financial support after his royal exit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-charles-finances-b1871723.html?amp

Coronateachingagain · 28/10/2022 23:22

ArcaneWireless · 28/10/2022 22:44

Yet another wide eyed ingenue thread.

Funny that there are so many who start these threads who make on they know nowt just to try and whirl the pot.

And the result of that is frothy pish.

Ditto

notmyrealmoniker · 28/10/2022 23:22

@FurAndFeathers Stop asking people to link. Just google like everyone else.

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