The Queen died at 3:10pm of 'old age'

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news.sky.com/story/queens-cause-of-death-revealed-as-extract-of-certificate-published-12707655

I can't quite remember the timings of news reports on the day. Was the Queen already deceased when the news were saying the doctors are 'concerned for her health'?

I don't think Victoria was euthanized. The only monarch who is known to have been is George V.

I too read Lady C as a link was on here, if I remember rightly, and she gave time of death (if she's to be believed) at 2.37pm.

My youngest daughter told me that Royal deaths are announced on BBC, and that it would be something like the news at 1pm or the news at 6pm. Which it was (the latter.)

I think 'old age' will be given as the cause of death in a nice way of saying to us 'mind your own bloody business'. Which I think is fair enough, tbh!

I don't think Victoria was euthanized. The only monarch who is known to have been is George V.

Even George V wasn't euthanised, strictly speaking. He was dying in any case, he was just helped on his way a little.

Completely wrong.

Scottish death certificates ALL have the a/b/c/d thing. I have seen dozens. anguline.co.uk/cert/burial.html Scroll down the page for another example.

So there are not "clearly" other causes of death at all.

True, but it's not the same as it being published in the papers.

Sometimes old people’s hearts do just stop. I know of two people who called round to relatives in their 90s - who hadn’t been at all ill - either because they weren’t answering the phone or they were calling round anyway - and found that they’d died in their sleep.
Great way to go if you can! Bit of a shock for whoever finds you, though.

The Duke of Edinburgh's death certificate also gave the cause of death as old age. It was explained at that time that "old age" can be listed as the cause under limited circumstances, such as being of great age (maybe over 90?) and there were some other limits to its use. You can see why - it could be open to misuse by some people who might have missed the real cause. But the duke died in England and the queen in Scotland, of course so different jurisdictions.

Scottish certificates are different and always have been.

Scottish birth certificates all show a place and time of birth, whether it's a single, twin, or triplet birth.

Scottish marriage certificates state the names and occupations not only of the bride/groom's father but their mothers too. (England/Wales have only recently started doing this).

Death certificates have place and time of death. I would also imagine the the Registrar would have gone to the castle to see the family rather than Anne having to go to the office.

I do t think that would fit with her spiritual beliefs but I do think people can will themselves to die subconsciously at an appropriate moment. Being intensely practical, I think this is possibly what happened in that she died having dispatched her last duty of making LT PM, and if you think about the seasons, it was remarkably convenient - not too hot as it was this summer - not too cold in depths of winter. Not clashing with summer holidays or Christmas. Start of new term as it were…

That's not the case. I ask relatives the times of their loved ones death. It's really important. Sometimes people don't get certified for several hours and this can cross from one day into the other. When filling in the death certificate it gives options to describe the time.

Love this. 🤣

Do they not need two Docs to confirm the death?
Could the time be when the second Doc got there. And once your dead your not the top of the Docs priority list. In a rural area there might not be that many Docs available.

I ask relatives the times of their loved ones death. It's really important. Sometimes people don't get certified for several hours and this can cross from one day into the other. When filling in the death certificate it gives options to describe the time.

It can't always be precise, though, can it?

The precise moment when the Queen ascended to the throne wasn't known, because the late King died in his sleep during the night and his death wasn't discovered until the morning.

Former first child and broadcast journalist Jenna Bush Hager has described witnessing the moment Prince Charles, now King Charles III, was informed that Queen Elizabeth II was ill on Thursday, just hours before the monarch died.
This was at 12.30pm, there was a phone call and Charles and Camilla rushed away,
Charles and his wife, the now queen consort, Camilla, were at the Scottish residence of Dumfries House where Bush Hager was scheduled to interview the duchess in connection with her book club "The Duchess of Cornwall's Reading Room" at 14:30 on Thursday, September 8th.

You don’t need 2 Drs to do a death certificate and in Scotland old age alone is a perfectly acceptable cause of death.
There is a lot of misinformation on this thread!

Mostly from people who assuming that the protocols in England are the same, irrespective of the fact civil registration in Scotland has always been completely separate.

I think 'old age' is used (subject to the person being elderly) where there are multiple things that failed at the same time and it would be difficult to pinpoint which one of them led to death.

There was some concern about 'old age' being flung about freely on the death certificates of (relatively) not very old women by the serial killer GP, Harold Shipman; but these were women in their 70s/80s - I don't think many would argue with it being a legitimate explanation for the death of someone past their mid-90s.

"Old age cannot be stated as the sole cause of death for anyone unless the certifying doctor:
Has personally cared for the deceased over a long period (meaning years, or many months)
Has observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning
Is not aware of any identifiable disease or injury that contributed to the death
When the certifying doctor is certain that there is no other reason that the death should be reported to the Procurator Fiscal
If the patient is 80 years or older and all the conditions listed above are met."

www.sad.scot.nhs.uk/atafter-death/death-certification/part-c/

Only having “old age” does seem weird seeing as she was working only 48 hours before

Of course it's not "weird" - she was 96! The body wears out, it can't keep going forever, but it's not a process that needs to take a long time. What is "weird" is this strange assumption that she must have had some dramatic cause of death.

Wasn’t there a thread on here saying that Lady CCampbell had announced the passing of The Queen before it had been announced on the News??
I was surprised that Campbell announced it, but it seemed she was correct?

Who would have told her?
It was surely risking being sued if she was incorrect?

Yes, she put something on YouTube about it. It wasn't actually announced on the news till 18:30.

I think they were waiting for the other Royals to arrive at Balmoral and receive the news privately.

No, that's completely normal for Scottish death certificates, nothing sinister at all. In Scotland death certificates can be viewed in Edinburgh by anyone and can't be "redacted".

A wonderful Mum died suddenly - Within seconds.
She fell into a relative’s arms and her relative said “ I knew she was gone immediately “
Neighbour’s DH died suddenly in his sleep after a lovely day out.
It’s a good way to go if one is in one’s Eighties.
No suffering or pain or worrying about a long decline.

antelope that GP would have known the Queen for years if not decades!!

Ha I should have read @KassandraOfSparta posts before posting. We're on the same page - there is nothing sinister at all about this certificate.