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Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

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EdieLedwell · 17/09/2022 18:47

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

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jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:34

Yes her post wasn't inaccurate, but rousette , you must have seen the behaviour from many particular pro posters?
I've lurked for years , I've seen all the for and against threads , I've seen bullying of pro posters ( such as yourself) but I've also seen bullying of critical posters, accused of being racist, nazis, Isis apologisers !!! ( why?) , bieng compared to hitler! , ( that's was directed at me!) and I've also seen poc posters accused of racism! And bullied off the threads for voicing criticism of m and h .

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 20:35

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:30

I agree with you.

But please don't say I am speaking for the whole BAME community, I would not be so presumptuous. I was saying 'just imagine if. they had stayed and they became popular etc.....'
I, of course, have no idea if that would've occurred.
That's all.

Sorry to be pedantic but you said “ the BAME community loved her .”
Not all of them do/ did.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:37

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:23

Oh I can imagine pro Meghan posters have had their fair share of nastiness directed towards them

I could write a book on it, speaking of my personal experience. Good job I've got the skin of a very old rhinocerus Grin

Jemima's post above has detailed it.

I can imagine, having read Jemimas posts.

But as I said, in my original post I went to great lengths to say my experience was only on a few threads and I was not trying to represent that as being the case on all the threads. Which is why I was puzzled by Jemimas response and then insisting what I said was nonsense.

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:41

Will also add very few of the original posters from either side remain , there was banning of both sides , rousette and I think samcro are amount the original pro posters ( who weren't abusive , I add) but I can't really see any of the rabid against posters. So most posters now are newish and shouldn't shoulder the blame for previous posters transgressions.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:41

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 20:35

Sorry to be pedantic but you said “ the BAME community loved her .”
Not all of them do/ did.

This is what I said

Say they had stayed, and they generated more headlines, Meghan was more popular, the BAME community loved her. and Harry.. they might well have felt 'threatened'

I said say they had stayed which means.... just imagine they had stayed (which they didn't) and that also means 'say the BAME community loved her' which is part of all the same sentence. And 'they might well have' also means... it is not fact but possible.
I am being pedantic now and I really need to stress that I am not saying that would've happened. You are picking just five words out of a paragraph and making out I said it as a fact! I didn't.... I do think what I have quoted above illustrates that....
Smile

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:43

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:34

Yes her post wasn't inaccurate, but rousette , you must have seen the behaviour from many particular pro posters?
I've lurked for years , I've seen all the for and against threads , I've seen bullying of pro posters ( such as yourself) but I've also seen bullying of critical posters, accused of being racist, nazis, Isis apologisers !!! ( why?) , bieng compared to hitler! , ( that's was directed at me!) and I've also seen poc posters accused of racism! And bullied off the threads for voicing criticism of m and h .

Yes this is what I am talking about I (a mixed race woman) was called racist because I criticised Harry. Not Meghan. It was actually in defence of Meghan and why some of the timelines didn’t add up. the post was deleted but I left the thread because I got fed up of any criticism of A white rich titled male, being labelled as racism whilst derogatory things were said to me.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:44

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:41

Will also add very few of the original posters from either side remain , there was banning of both sides , rousette and I think samcro are amount the original pro posters ( who weren't abusive , I add) but I can't really see any of the rabid against posters. So most posters now are newish and shouldn't shoulder the blame for previous posters transgressions.

Course you can't! They are NCers. I do recognise writing styles very easily though!
You really can't say it's all newish posters, I know that not to be the case. Of course some are, some dip in and out, but there are some posters who go back as far as me.

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:47

Sympathy 💐 @Hearthnhome , I never post much takes to long for me to type! . I'm never controversial or in your face but I was called all the names under the sun for criticism of Harry! A privileged , white, prince! , how can that be racist!

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:51

@Roussette , that may be true, and I saw the things that were said to you, but I also remember a particularly nasty pro poster ( named rockinghorse or something) who was awful, I took that abuse very personaly as I'm sure you did too! .
But these new threads apear to be less frequented by pile on posters!

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:54

Nobody should be personally attacked for thier opinions, whatever direction they take , also not keen on tit for tat arguments .

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:54

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:51

@Roussette , that may be true, and I saw the things that were said to you, but I also remember a particularly nasty pro poster ( named rockinghorse or something) who was awful, I took that abuse very personaly as I'm sure you did too! .
But these new threads apear to be less frequented by pile on posters!

Yes, I .get what you're saying... and some names are etched in my memory unfortunately. Not nice

I'm not sure much has changed, I've had a couple of upsetting experiences in the last few weeks, I really should change my name maybe!

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:55

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:54

Nobody should be personally attacked for thier opinions, whatever direction they take , also not keen on tit for tat arguments .

Totally and utterly agree
Smile

FirstTM · 21/09/2022 20:55

JemimaPuddlegoose · 21/09/2022 20:07

Please Harry and Meghan wouldn't come back if Charles begged them.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Nonsense, the Meghan-bashers stalk and troll anyone who's even vaguely neutral towards her. Have you seen the insane lengths that Meghan-bashers go to?

The year they got married, when Meghan hate was at its height: Starting half a dozen threads per day with the sole intention of bashing her when she hadn't even done anything, just nit picking stuff like her having scented candles at the wedding when Kate had done the exact same thing, or spreading lies about her having no friends at the wedding when her large group of close uni/early acting days friends were all there.

Regular posts referencing Tumblr conspiracy theories about secret marriages, Meghan being a sex worker, Doria having been to prison, etc. I remember at least two really vile threads insisting that there was a secret sex tape of Meghan working as a prostitute.

Meghan bashers cross-posting the same threads and copy and pasting the same OP post to both Mumsnet and other forums like Datalounge which are basically Neo Nazi sites and where posters regularly call Meghan monkey and n***r and far worse. It's been less than a week since I've seen someone say "oh I read on Datalounge that..." so Meghan bashers freely admit to reading a racist hate site that allows the N word to be openly and frequently used.

One poster admitting that they'd been banned over a dozen times and kept creating new email accounts so they could keep re-registering as a PBP in order to keep posting Meghan hate.

Back in 2019 MNHQ once confirmed that Meghan bashers were sockpuppeting
(ie posting under one username then quickly name changing to post to agree with themselves).

Three brand new usernames registering and posting within the space of 30 minutes to call a poster "a shit for brains lying cunt" and all three of them making identical posts claiming to be longterm lurkers who had been moved to register an account because of how terrible this one poster was, just because the poster criticised Thomas Markle.

Someone typing the N word in full (in all caps) in response to a black poster making a touching and thoughtful post about her personal experience of racism in a Meghan thread, and two full pages of posts going by without anyone reporting it.

Meghan haters giggling and egging on racial abuse and bullying of black Meghan supporters.

Someone photoshopping a fake DM to try to get a black poster kicked off Mumsnet.

Bullying and nasty personal comments of Meghan supporters and a clear divide in how posters are treated. I.e. if a Meghan supporter makes a tiny typo or photo autocorrect error there will be a page of posts deriding and berating them with comments mocking them for being stupid, yet Meghan haters can post rants in barely comprehensible text speak and no one says a word.

Hypocritical behaviour, for example there are regularly pile-ons (using bullying language) demanding "proof" but only ever when it's Meghan supporters making some claim, never ever when it's Meghan bashers making allegations. Meghan supports can't even say basic stuff like "the RF sometimes leak to the press" without pages of hostile comments screaming about proof, yet Meghan bashers can make posts stating that Meghan was a sex worker or that Harry had issued a statement saying his book would be a no-holds barred attack on the RF and only maybe 1-2 Meghan supports will ask for proof.

Whenever Meghan supports refer to things written in tabloids they're told they're gullible and naive and stupid and that tabloids aren't reliable sources, but Meghan bashers use tabloids as sources all the time without being attacked for it. Only a few weeks ago someone made a post insisting that the Daily Mail scrupulously fact checks everything and that you know that everything they post is true because otherwise they'd be sued. Another recent post claimed that anything attributed to "a royal source" had been cleared by the Queen personally.

Meghan supports constantly being accused of being paid trolls, paid bots (even though troll hunting is against talk guidelines), obsessive, even posters like Rousette who is a very long term regular.

Meghan supporters being followed around the forum and having every comment they make subject to nasty responses. If you get a rep for being a "Meghan fan" you can't even post that you're having pasta for tea without someone making a nasty comment.

Meghan haters literally setting up an entire rival forum with "Mumsnet" in its title just to have a place to bash Meghan using language that MN does not allow.

Banned Meghan bashers using the rival forum to discuss Mumsnetters they perceive as Meghan supporters, dissecting Meghan supporters' entire posting history, and openly discussing ways to get those posters banned, including making mass false reports to try to game the report system.

An incident where a poster who worked at Netflix made a long and informative post explaining how Netflix works that was mass reported and deleted on the grounds that it contained a bit of gossip about an unrelated actor, when it would never have been reported if it hadn't been perceived as defending Meghan. Then when the poster re-posted it with the actor gossip part removed, Meghan-bashers mass reported it again and lied that the gossip part was still there when it wasn't. MNHQ deleted the post then un-deleted it and apologised for wrongly deleting it.

Meghan supports being doxed both on the rival forum and on Reddit.

A poster who has been banned from MN at least twice made a big post on Reddit bragging about how they'd spent hours google image searching everyone who had worked on a particular project and scrutinizing their skin tone, in order to try to dox a biracial Meghan fan who claimed to have worked on that project.

Brand new usernames regularly popping up with identical posts claiming to have a friend working in Buckingham Palace/Hollywood who knew Meghan personally and had personal experience of Meghan being a horrible bitch and abusive and that everyone hated her. Including a poster claiming a friend in Buckingham Palace had told her that Meghan had once punched Charlotte.

Name one thing Meghan supporters have done that remotely equals using racial slurs, lies about child abuse, or doxxing.

From my little experience on MN I can well believe this.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 20:56

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:44

Course you can't! They are NCers. I do recognise writing styles very easily though!
You really can't say it's all newish posters, I know that not to be the case. Of course some are, some dip in and out, but there are some posters who go back as far as me.

You frequently mention NC posters as if they are sly , untrustworthy and somehow up to dirty tricks. It is allowed to NC you know. Many do so for privacy reasons. Just because you don’t NC doesn’t make you special.

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:56

@Roussette , no just report and disengage. That's what I do now ( although I also barely post now just read! ) Flowers

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:00

@SilverLiningPlaybook , to be fair rousette was replying to me , some of the very agressive posters ( for and against) had a very particular style of posting , so I've you've been on the receiving end of one of their attacks you do kind of notice, I have questions about a particular pro poster on this thread!

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 21:02

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Very, very strange of you to have picked this up and say nothing about how anti MM hate anyone who is pro MM.

Like, they are the ones who post the most, often in a hateful silo. They go to a positive thread to take it down to hate. wtf ?

Anyway, by now we are used to 'new unbiased' posters like you. Show their colours very soon, though I did not think this soon.

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 21:04

JemimaPuddlegoose · 21/09/2022 20:07

Please Harry and Meghan wouldn't come back if Charles begged them.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Nonsense, the Meghan-bashers stalk and troll anyone who's even vaguely neutral towards her. Have you seen the insane lengths that Meghan-bashers go to?

The year they got married, when Meghan hate was at its height: Starting half a dozen threads per day with the sole intention of bashing her when she hadn't even done anything, just nit picking stuff like her having scented candles at the wedding when Kate had done the exact same thing, or spreading lies about her having no friends at the wedding when her large group of close uni/early acting days friends were all there.

Regular posts referencing Tumblr conspiracy theories about secret marriages, Meghan being a sex worker, Doria having been to prison, etc. I remember at least two really vile threads insisting that there was a secret sex tape of Meghan working as a prostitute.

Meghan bashers cross-posting the same threads and copy and pasting the same OP post to both Mumsnet and other forums like Datalounge which are basically Neo Nazi sites and where posters regularly call Meghan monkey and n***r and far worse. It's been less than a week since I've seen someone say "oh I read on Datalounge that..." so Meghan bashers freely admit to reading a racist hate site that allows the N word to be openly and frequently used.

One poster admitting that they'd been banned over a dozen times and kept creating new email accounts so they could keep re-registering as a PBP in order to keep posting Meghan hate.

Back in 2019 MNHQ once confirmed that Meghan bashers were sockpuppeting
(ie posting under one username then quickly name changing to post to agree with themselves).

Three brand new usernames registering and posting within the space of 30 minutes to call a poster "a shit for brains lying cunt" and all three of them making identical posts claiming to be longterm lurkers who had been moved to register an account because of how terrible this one poster was, just because the poster criticised Thomas Markle.

Someone typing the N word in full (in all caps) in response to a black poster making a touching and thoughtful post about her personal experience of racism in a Meghan thread, and two full pages of posts going by without anyone reporting it.

Meghan haters giggling and egging on racial abuse and bullying of black Meghan supporters.

Someone photoshopping a fake DM to try to get a black poster kicked off Mumsnet.

Bullying and nasty personal comments of Meghan supporters and a clear divide in how posters are treated. I.e. if a Meghan supporter makes a tiny typo or photo autocorrect error there will be a page of posts deriding and berating them with comments mocking them for being stupid, yet Meghan haters can post rants in barely comprehensible text speak and no one says a word.

Hypocritical behaviour, for example there are regularly pile-ons (using bullying language) demanding "proof" but only ever when it's Meghan supporters making some claim, never ever when it's Meghan bashers making allegations. Meghan supports can't even say basic stuff like "the RF sometimes leak to the press" without pages of hostile comments screaming about proof, yet Meghan bashers can make posts stating that Meghan was a sex worker or that Harry had issued a statement saying his book would be a no-holds barred attack on the RF and only maybe 1-2 Meghan supports will ask for proof.

Whenever Meghan supports refer to things written in tabloids they're told they're gullible and naive and stupid and that tabloids aren't reliable sources, but Meghan bashers use tabloids as sources all the time without being attacked for it. Only a few weeks ago someone made a post insisting that the Daily Mail scrupulously fact checks everything and that you know that everything they post is true because otherwise they'd be sued. Another recent post claimed that anything attributed to "a royal source" had been cleared by the Queen personally.

Meghan supports constantly being accused of being paid trolls, paid bots (even though troll hunting is against talk guidelines), obsessive, even posters like Rousette who is a very long term regular.

Meghan supporters being followed around the forum and having every comment they make subject to nasty responses. If you get a rep for being a "Meghan fan" you can't even post that you're having pasta for tea without someone making a nasty comment.

Meghan haters literally setting up an entire rival forum with "Mumsnet" in its title just to have a place to bash Meghan using language that MN does not allow.

Banned Meghan bashers using the rival forum to discuss Mumsnetters they perceive as Meghan supporters, dissecting Meghan supporters' entire posting history, and openly discussing ways to get those posters banned, including making mass false reports to try to game the report system.

An incident where a poster who worked at Netflix made a long and informative post explaining how Netflix works that was mass reported and deleted on the grounds that it contained a bit of gossip about an unrelated actor, when it would never have been reported if it hadn't been perceived as defending Meghan. Then when the poster re-posted it with the actor gossip part removed, Meghan-bashers mass reported it again and lied that the gossip part was still there when it wasn't. MNHQ deleted the post then un-deleted it and apologised for wrongly deleting it.

Meghan supports being doxed both on the rival forum and on Reddit.

A poster who has been banned from MN at least twice made a big post on Reddit bragging about how they'd spent hours google image searching everyone who had worked on a particular project and scrutinizing their skin tone, in order to try to dox a biracial Meghan fan who claimed to have worked on that project.

Brand new usernames regularly popping up with identical posts claiming to have a friend working in Buckingham Palace/Hollywood who knew Meghan personally and had personal experience of Meghan being a horrible bitch and abusive and that everyone hated her. Including a poster claiming a friend in Buckingham Palace had told her that Meghan had once punched Charlotte.

Name one thing Meghan supporters have done that remotely equals using racial slurs, lies about child abuse, or doxxing.

This.

All of this.

All over.
Like 100 times.

Don't see much comment from the 'neutral' posters either.

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:07

Your posting style is giving me serious flashbacks!

StormzyinaTCup · 21/09/2022 21:08

Yes, there are definitely posters with a certain posting style. One pro poster in particular that I'm tuned into that could name change 20 times and I'd recognise them. It's clear they have an agenda and that's difficult to disguise.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 21:09

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 20:56

You frequently mention NC posters as if they are sly , untrustworthy and somehow up to dirty tricks. It is allowed to NC you know. Many do so for privacy reasons. Just because you don’t NC doesn’t make you special.

Oh dear. I'm not saying that but believe me, posters DO change names for nefarious reasons.
How come, if not, that there was a poster who was on MM threads who was banned ten times and came back each time? You can't honestly think that everyone who NCs is doing it for privacy reasons. On M&H threads, it is very very doubtful. Elsewhere quite possible.

I'm not the slightest bit special... why do you make a dig like that?

... a bit rude to be honest Hmm

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:10

@StormzyinaTCup , indeed! 🤔

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 21:16

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 21:02

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Very, very strange of you to have picked this up and say nothing about how anti MM hate anyone who is pro MM.

Like, they are the ones who post the most, often in a hateful silo. They go to a positive thread to take it down to hate. wtf ?

Anyway, by now we are used to 'new unbiased' posters like you. Show their colours very soon, though I did not think this soon.

Ffs catch up with thread. We have been through this several times.

I specifically said I was talk about my experience on a few threads and that m, that was in no way representative of all threads as I had not been on them.

I also pointed out in the same post that I quite like Meghan, not so keen on Harry

and then other posters have backed up and had similar experiences to me.

I didn’t say pro Meghan posters don’t get shit and later addressed it.

I haven’t hidden that I am not a fan of Harry.

But to Jemima and Rousette this is exactly the sort of poster I am talking about. I made it clear I was talking about my experience. Haven’t hidden what I thought. But still some people want to have a go because I don’t fit with their narrative.

This is exactly the type of poster I was taking about.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 21:17

notanotheroneagain · 21/09/2022 21:02

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Very, very strange of you to have picked this up and say nothing about how anti MM hate anyone who is pro MM.

Like, they are the ones who post the most, often in a hateful silo. They go to a positive thread to take it down to hate. wtf ?

Anyway, by now we are used to 'new unbiased' posters like you. Show their colours very soon, though I did not think this soon.

Oh an also I posted that post before I actually asked the questions I asked.

So definitely didn’t hide anything.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 21:18

Roussette · 21/09/2022 21:09

Oh dear. I'm not saying that but believe me, posters DO change names for nefarious reasons.
How come, if not, that there was a poster who was on MM threads who was banned ten times and came back each time? You can't honestly think that everyone who NCs is doing it for privacy reasons. On M&H threads, it is very very doubtful. Elsewhere quite possible.

I'm not the slightest bit special... why do you make a dig like that?

... a bit rude to be honest Hmm

Because you often mention people who name change and state that you don’t.

It really annoys me that all posters who express reservations about Meghan AND Harry are accused of being racist ‘haters’ , who are on SM whipping up hatred. There are people like that. However the vast majority of posters make reasoned arguements and are capable of nuanced discussion. It isn’t the case that anyone who isn’t a Mwghan ‘fan’ is a racist and ‘hater’. I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the same kind of thinking that accuses the Press of being racist. I really really don’t believe most media coverage is motivated by racism. It’s partly rubbish written to generate ‘clicks’ (the DM) , but there is also a lot of intelligent and interesting stuff being written.
Black and white thinking is never constructive .
Its easy to look at the extreme end of a debate, in this case genuine racists and nutters, and just decide anyone at all who isn’t keen on M and H must be in the same camp. It’s lazy thinking.

In the same way, posters who NC are not all doing so for nefarious reasons on these threads.

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