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Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

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EdieLedwell · 17/09/2022 18:47

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

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Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 20:02

I’m old enough to to remember a time when Andrew and Fergie were hugely popular. Fergie was regarded to be great fun and Andrew dashing and they made Charles and Diana look boring according to the press

HeddaGarbled · 21/09/2022 20:02

The dancing in the streets claim was from The Cut interview, not from a Podcast, so the final result was controlled by the journalist and her bosses, not by people in Meghan’s employ.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:03

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 19:59

I kind of understand that and still don’t.

I don’t believe any Gran would let this stuff go when finding out her grandson and wife were leaving the country over racism and harassment, within their own household. Or even after the first 2 complaints.

Not saying it’s not as you say. I just can’t get my head around it.

Plenty of people hold her accountable for other decisions made around that time and since.

i am sure the Queen was fine with them, but she wasn’t above telling her kids and Grandkids off. I am mixed race. Some one who allows racism I’m when they could stop it, is just as bad as those that do it, in my opinion. People who could help someone in their family with mental health problems but chooses not to, is not someone I could just say ‘they are lovely’ about.

It might be just how my mind works, but I just don’t get it.

I do understand where you're coming from. We'll never really know I suppose...

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Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:03

Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 19:53

It would have been career suicide to criticise the queen, so they took a pragmatic approach on blaming everyone else even though TQ had the final sign off on no half in half of out approach.

But if that was the only reason, that’s not them telling their truth either. Which they genuinely seem to want to do.

But I also wonder why it’s never been questioned publicly. By press or any of the many commenters. Or at least what I have seen. Maybe they did.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 20:06

They don’t really seem to have been questioned about anything. That’s the trouble. They just blab and whine, and no one really takes a tough line with them. It’s infuriating. I’d like to see a proper interview which isn’t sycophantic . It will never happen though because M won’t countenance being challenged by others.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:06

HeddaGarbled · 21/09/2022 20:02

The dancing in the streets claim was from The Cut interview, not from a Podcast, so the final result was controlled by the journalist and her bosses, not by people in Meghan’s employ.

Ah thank you. That makes more sense.

I would have thought, though that they did have some power over what’s printed and what’s not with people employed to advise. Like a sign off written in the contract for the interview.

It appears the Cut weren’t really working in her best interests either then maybe.

Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 20:06

@Hearthnhome

Meghan wants to be famous, ‘her truth’ has proved rather problematic, as a number of lies have been uncovered at the heart of it

JemimaPuddlegoose · 21/09/2022 20:07

Please Harry and Meghan wouldn't come back if Charles begged them.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

Nonsense, the Meghan-bashers stalk and troll anyone who's even vaguely neutral towards her. Have you seen the insane lengths that Meghan-bashers go to?

The year they got married, when Meghan hate was at its height: Starting half a dozen threads per day with the sole intention of bashing her when she hadn't even done anything, just nit picking stuff like her having scented candles at the wedding when Kate had done the exact same thing, or spreading lies about her having no friends at the wedding when her large group of close uni/early acting days friends were all there.

Regular posts referencing Tumblr conspiracy theories about secret marriages, Meghan being a sex worker, Doria having been to prison, etc. I remember at least two really vile threads insisting that there was a secret sex tape of Meghan working as a prostitute.

Meghan bashers cross-posting the same threads and copy and pasting the same OP post to both Mumsnet and other forums like Datalounge which are basically Neo Nazi sites and where posters regularly call Meghan monkey and n***r and far worse. It's been less than a week since I've seen someone say "oh I read on Datalounge that..." so Meghan bashers freely admit to reading a racist hate site that allows the N word to be openly and frequently used.

One poster admitting that they'd been banned over a dozen times and kept creating new email accounts so they could keep re-registering as a PBP in order to keep posting Meghan hate.

Back in 2019 MNHQ once confirmed that Meghan bashers were sockpuppeting
(ie posting under one username then quickly name changing to post to agree with themselves).

Three brand new usernames registering and posting within the space of 30 minutes to call a poster "a shit for brains lying cunt" and all three of them making identical posts claiming to be longterm lurkers who had been moved to register an account because of how terrible this one poster was, just because the poster criticised Thomas Markle.

Someone typing the N word in full (in all caps) in response to a black poster making a touching and thoughtful post about her personal experience of racism in a Meghan thread, and two full pages of posts going by without anyone reporting it.

Meghan haters giggling and egging on racial abuse and bullying of black Meghan supporters.

Someone photoshopping a fake DM to try to get a black poster kicked off Mumsnet.

Bullying and nasty personal comments of Meghan supporters and a clear divide in how posters are treated. I.e. if a Meghan supporter makes a tiny typo or photo autocorrect error there will be a page of posts deriding and berating them with comments mocking them for being stupid, yet Meghan haters can post rants in barely comprehensible text speak and no one says a word.

Hypocritical behaviour, for example there are regularly pile-ons (using bullying language) demanding "proof" but only ever when it's Meghan supporters making some claim, never ever when it's Meghan bashers making allegations. Meghan supports can't even say basic stuff like "the RF sometimes leak to the press" without pages of hostile comments screaming about proof, yet Meghan bashers can make posts stating that Meghan was a sex worker or that Harry had issued a statement saying his book would be a no-holds barred attack on the RF and only maybe 1-2 Meghan supports will ask for proof.

Whenever Meghan supports refer to things written in tabloids they're told they're gullible and naive and stupid and that tabloids aren't reliable sources, but Meghan bashers use tabloids as sources all the time without being attacked for it. Only a few weeks ago someone made a post insisting that the Daily Mail scrupulously fact checks everything and that you know that everything they post is true because otherwise they'd be sued. Another recent post claimed that anything attributed to "a royal source" had been cleared by the Queen personally.

Meghan supports constantly being accused of being paid trolls, paid bots (even though troll hunting is against talk guidelines), obsessive, even posters like Rousette who is a very long term regular.

Meghan supporters being followed around the forum and having every comment they make subject to nasty responses. If you get a rep for being a "Meghan fan" you can't even post that you're having pasta for tea without someone making a nasty comment.

Meghan haters literally setting up an entire rival forum with "Mumsnet" in its title just to have a place to bash Meghan using language that MN does not allow.

Banned Meghan bashers using the rival forum to discuss Mumsnetters they perceive as Meghan supporters, dissecting Meghan supporters' entire posting history, and openly discussing ways to get those posters banned, including making mass false reports to try to game the report system.

An incident where a poster who worked at Netflix made a long and informative post explaining how Netflix works that was mass reported and deleted on the grounds that it contained a bit of gossip about an unrelated actor, when it would never have been reported if it hadn't been perceived as defending Meghan. Then when the poster re-posted it with the actor gossip part removed, Meghan-bashers mass reported it again and lied that the gossip part was still there when it wasn't. MNHQ deleted the post then un-deleted it and apologised for wrongly deleting it.

Meghan supports being doxed both on the rival forum and on Reddit.

A poster who has been banned from MN at least twice made a big post on Reddit bragging about how they'd spent hours google image searching everyone who had worked on a particular project and scrutinizing their skin tone, in order to try to dox a biracial Meghan fan who claimed to have worked on that project.

Brand new usernames regularly popping up with identical posts claiming to have a friend working in Buckingham Palace/Hollywood who knew Meghan personally and had personal experience of Meghan being a horrible bitch and abusive and that everyone hated her. Including a poster claiming a friend in Buckingham Palace had told her that Meghan had once punched Charlotte.

Name one thing Meghan supporters have done that remotely equals using racial slurs, lies about child abuse, or doxxing.

Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 20:08

@Hearthnhome
these were her own words, no-one else. She was hoisted on her own petard.

HeddaGarbled · 21/09/2022 20:09

IMHO it’s because the Queen was a globally loved figure and they wanted the positive association with her

Indeed. Whereas Charles is low-hanging fruit.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 20:09

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:02

Crikey, if I posted your first sentence I'd have been roasted!

I believe she was fine with Harry & Meghan., you don't know how she felt, and nor do I. Just my opinion.

My point was that you seem happy to believe the Queen had no problem with Meghan and Harry despite their extremely disloyal behaviour.

However you presumably criticise the Queen for her support of Andrew. Strange that.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:10

Wow @JemimaPuddlegoose That’s a long posts when you completely ignored what I actually said.

I said, I am have not been on many H&M threads. I said that was MY experience and not representative of ALL threads.

Not sure how I could have been more clear that I wasn’t saying it happens on all threads, but have on the ones I have been on.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:11

Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 20:08

@Hearthnhome
these were her own words, no-one else. She was hoisted on her own petard.

I understand they were her own words. But I imagine any of us could say something silly when being interviewed. I just presumed that they would have input into what was in the final interview.

Arbesque · 21/09/2022 20:12

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 18:40

The British media are shit. It’s obvious most of the stories about W&K and H&M are rubbish. Of course they do it for click bait. The best thing they could do if they dislike Meghan so much is not mention her at all. If they are convinced everything is for publicity. Don’t mention her.

But I do think posters need to pay attention to other social media, other than twitter.

There was quite a lot of people who live in SA who were bothered by her comments and story about comparing her wedding reaction to the reaction at freeing Mandela. If you look across platforms, it wasn’t a tiny amount or people with history of posting about her. And it was many PoC.

This threads always end with extremes one side thinking Meghan and Harry can’t do any wrong and the RF are evil. And the other who tend to believe everything awful about her.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting. But I don’t often come on them. So that’s not representative of all threads, just my experience. I quite like MM but am not someone who thinks Harry is blameless. But it’s been made clear before, that’s not an acceptable stance.

GK must be their spokesperson. She has already spoken out on the situation between the RF and H&M. Surely as a friend, if they didn’t want her speaking out, she wouldn’t. So that’s not an official statement but still getting things in the press. So I disagree that they don’t leak things. They do.

I saw lots of criticism on twitter on the day of the funeral. Some pro Kate some pro megahn. Both being awful about the other one. It is absolutely awful and not sure what people gain.

I totally agree. I hate the attempts to polarise everyone- to assume if you like Meghan and Harry or feel sympathy for them you obviously hate the Royal Family, or if you feel positively towards William and Kate you are obviously a Meghan and Harry hater and a racist.

Most people actually have a balanced view and would like to have a balanced discussion. But we can't because someone will immediately brand us as being on one side or the other.

It's such a tabloid way of thinking and shows how they influence public debate.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:13

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

I totally disagree with this too. There are some real middle of the road interesting posters who inform, ask decent questions, don't lace it all with passive aggressive dislike... and I like reading their posts. Like hearthnhome on here now. Just reasonable, not rude, not attacking, querying the situation and what might have happened.
The trouble is... there are too many personal attacks as I know to my cost.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:16

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:13

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting.

I totally disagree with this too. There are some real middle of the road interesting posters who inform, ask decent questions, don't lace it all with passive aggressive dislike... and I like reading their posts. Like hearthnhome on here now. Just reasonable, not rude, not attacking, querying the situation and what might have happened.
The trouble is... there are too many personal attacks as I know to my cost.

That was my post and that is my experience on the few threads I have been on. As I also said in that posts it is not representative of all threads. As o haven’t been on them all.

i have no idea about the long list of anti Meghan posters running from one site to the next.

I only spoke on my experience on these threads before. My experience doesn’t change because there’s some (apparently) awful anti Meghan posters on mn.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:17

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 20:09

My point was that you seem happy to believe the Queen had no problem with Meghan and Harry despite their extremely disloyal behaviour.

However you presumably criticise the Queen for her support of Andrew. Strange that.

Of course.

Not everyone is a clone of everyone. It's two different circumstances and behaviour.
And Andrew has always been her favourite son. I got really told off for saying that but it has been said for years.

And I don't feel H&M's behaviour was 'extremely disloyal'. They had their say at an interview and it will be brought up for the next 30 years no doubt.

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 20:17

Oh I can imagine pro Meghan posters have had their fair share of nastiness directed towards them.

But that doesn’t change my experience, which is all I can speak on.

Ohnonevermind · 21/09/2022 20:22

I think they’re better off in the States, but I don’t think they’re going to be obamas mark 2

They’ve overspent badly for the first few years. If they can pull back the spending and settle for a life below a+ they could live content and fulfilling lives.

they’re much better off pretending that they’ve all cleared the air. Let some other poor sod get the British tabloid treatment

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:23

Oh I can imagine pro Meghan posters have had their fair share of nastiness directed towards them

I could write a book on it, speaking of my personal experience. Good job I've got the skin of a very old rhinocerus Grin

Jemima's post above has detailed it.

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 20:26

Roussette · 21/09/2022 19:59

You can't say that whatever happened, M&H might not have proved hugely popular with the public? Say they had stayed, and they generated more headlines, Meghan was more popular, the BAME community loved her. and Harry.. they might well have felt 'threatened' .

I am using the word 'threatened' in the context of popularity.

I know what you are saying . There is no doubt that Harry was very popular as a young man but the cheeky chappy persona quickly wears thin in a middle aged man . I am old enough to remember that Andrew was seen as the good looking Randy Andy while Charles was old fashioned and not good looking . Now ? An old sleaze bag .
Meghan is very attractive and clearly appealed to many people but you cannot speak for the whole BAME community- I have a friend who insists that Meghan doesn’t speak for her .
The fact remains that like Margaret . Andrew etc their position would be less important and less relevant .

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:30

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 20:26

I know what you are saying . There is no doubt that Harry was very popular as a young man but the cheeky chappy persona quickly wears thin in a middle aged man . I am old enough to remember that Andrew was seen as the good looking Randy Andy while Charles was old fashioned and not good looking . Now ? An old sleaze bag .
Meghan is very attractive and clearly appealed to many people but you cannot speak for the whole BAME community- I have a friend who insists that Meghan doesn’t speak for her .
The fact remains that like Margaret . Andrew etc their position would be less important and less relevant .

I agree with you.

But please don't say I am speaking for the whole BAME community, I would not be so presumptuous. I was saying 'just imagine if. they had stayed and they became popular etc.....'
I, of course, have no idea if that would've occurred.
That's all.

Snog · 21/09/2022 20:31

There is a high number of pro Meghan posters who have had their posts deleted for personal attacks on other posters. Make of that what you will. Kindness and compassion seems frequently to be absent both from M&H and their followers.

Roussette · 21/09/2022 20:32

Snog · 21/09/2022 20:31

There is a high number of pro Meghan posters who have had their posts deleted for personal attacks on other posters. Make of that what you will. Kindness and compassion seems frequently to be absent both from M&H and their followers.

Nowhere near as many as the other way round. Not by a million miles.

Snog · 21/09/2022 20:33

I'd love to see an analysis as that's really not my impression Rousette.

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