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EdieLedwell · 2022-09-17T17:47:10+00:00

I've been wondering about this all week. What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:19

@Hearthnhome 👍💐

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:25

Very true @SilverLiningPlaybook , but I feel I do need to defend rousette here.... strange but true , there are posters lurking around here who have name changed but seem to be posting in a particular style that's reminiscent of previous posters, so I don't think she meant it that way.
Also I'm too polite to say what I think of h and m!

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 21:26

Also I would probably be piled on! 🤣

Roussette · 21/09/2022 21:27

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 21:18

Because you often mention people who name change and state that you don’t.

It really annoys me that all posters who express reservations about Meghan AND Harry are accused of being racist ‘haters’ , who are on SM whipping up hatred. There are people like that. However the vast majority of posters make reasoned arguements and are capable of nuanced discussion. It isn’t the case that anyone who isn’t a Mwghan ‘fan’ is a racist and ‘hater’. I’m so tired of this narrative. It’s the same kind of thinking that accuses the Press of being racist. I really really don’t believe most media coverage is motivated by racism. It’s partly rubbish written to generate ‘clicks’ (the DM) , but there is also a lot of intelligent and interesting stuff being written.
Black and white thinking is never constructive .
Its easy to look at the extreme end of a debate, in this case genuine racists and nutters, and just decide anyone at all who isn’t keen on M and H must be in the same camp. It’s lazy thinking.

In the same way, posters who NC are not all doing so for nefarious reasons on these threads.

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Why are you saying this to me? I've never called you or anyone a racist hater. You can't make out that those that are OK ish with M&H are all the same. They're not. Same as those that have misgivings aren't. Some probably loathe them, some just are not keen, some aren't sure.
So don't talk to me about lazy thinking.

Yes I say people NC and I don't. That is because I get attacked because I'm an easy target because I keep my name and that name is recognisable. And in the past there has definitely been those that come on to a thread just to have a go at me. Names I've never seen before in my life. Who then quote stuff I said literally years ago. `
Don't make out I'm the same as every single pro poster. I'm not, I'm me.

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 21:40

Sorry @Roussette i was being overly pedantic 💐

Roussette · 21/09/2022 21:42

Readinginthesun · 21/09/2022 21:40

Sorry @Roussette i was being overly pedantic 💐

No worries 🍷👍

GaffNest · 21/09/2022 22:25

skullbabe · 21/09/2022 18:27

No - the Mandela comments were received badly by people inclined to think the worst of Meghan. Most people, including myself, took the comments at face value (someone said they were dancing in the streets) but felt she was unwise to share them.

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Comparing what was a trivial wedding to the much anticipated release of the highest profile prisoner on the planet (something that had been campaigned for by activists for more than two decades) is the definition of narcissism. It’s also staggeringly stupid as no semi-intelligent person would even suggest such a thing as they’d know they’d get mocked for doing so, but being so self absorbed any such reservation wouldn’t have entered her head.

Unfortunately I caught part of her podcast on the Lorraine show and the self importance just oozes from her. Tbf she’s in an industry (acting) where they have an inflated view of the self (a down to Earth actor is as rare as hen’s teeth) and she’s also been reared in a society not known for its humility. Her personality is the prime reason she comes across as deeply unlikeable.

Just on one comment from her podcast “As a child I was ugly with frizzy hair and a gap in the teeth”. Yeah just insult an entire race where frizzy hair is common (the lesson today is get those hair straighteners out), and god forbid anyone having a gap in their teeth. Again though in fairness to her this superficial outlook is another trait associated with the society she was reared in.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 22:28

The irony is all those people out celebrating the wedding that wasn’t a wedding. Because she was already married.

LondonWolf · 21/09/2022 22:28

Well said @SilverLiningPlaybook. It's beyond tedious and lazy now and its constant, no matter how balanced the discussion.

DFOD · 21/09/2022 23:14

skullbabe · 21/09/2022 19:25

Seriously stop it. Read what I have said not what you think I’ve said. Remember social media is not real life and that SA/Zim communities are just as polarised as our own. The whole of SA did not take offence. I am a black person of African descent and me and my POC (and white) peers did not take to media to complain. I have not thrown anyone under any bus - listen carefully - HER GRANDSON WAS RIGHT TO CRITICISE THE STATEMENT (because it was hyperbole) AND SHE WAS SILLY TO SHARE IT. It doesn’t mean someone didn’t say it.

I have consistently said this but you don’t get it nor do you care for the context I can bring and that’s fine. But enough of this topic because I’m getting annoyed.

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“Seriously stop it. Read what I have said not what you think I’ve said.”

I have read exactly what you said - and here it is for all to see again:

“No - the Mandela comments were received badly by people inclined to think the worst of Meghan.”

So these are the people who are inclined to think the worst of Meghan….

Nelson Mandela’s family?

PoC who took to the liberal and progressive media in US and U.K. to complain?

People in South Africa?

Is that what you think of these people that spoke out - that they received it badly because they think the worst of her?

I’m embarrassed for you.

GaffNest · 22/09/2022 00:45

Hearthnhome · 21/09/2022 18:40

The British media are shit. It’s obvious most of the stories about W&K and H&M are rubbish. Of course they do it for click bait. The best thing they could do if they dislike Meghan so much is not mention her at all. If they are convinced everything is for publicity. Don’t mention her.

But I do think posters need to pay attention to other social media, other than twitter.

There was quite a lot of people who live in SA who were bothered by her comments and story about comparing her wedding reaction to the reaction at freeing Mandela. If you look across platforms, it wasn’t a tiny amount or people with history of posting about her. And it was many PoC.

This threads always end with extremes one side thinking Meghan and Harry can’t do any wrong and the RF are evil. And the other who tend to believe everything awful about her.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting. But I don’t often come on them. So that’s not representative of all threads, just my experience. I quite like MM but am not someone who thinks Harry is blameless. But it’s been made clear before, that’s not an acceptable stance.

GK must be their spokesperson. She has already spoken out on the situation between the RF and H&M. Surely as a friend, if they didn’t want her speaking out, she wouldn’t. So that’s not an official statement but still getting things in the press. So I disagree that they don’t leak things. They do.

I saw lots of criticism on twitter on the day of the funeral. Some pro Kate some pro megahn. Both being awful about the other one. It is absolutely awful and not sure what people gain.

It wasn’t just people in South Africa who were insulted by her narcissism in comparing her trivial do to an historical event where a great man was finally set free which would transform an entire country from being an apartheid state to one that wasn’t, it was insulting to anyone with any decency and a brain.

And whats with this “pro”/“anti” stuff? It sounds like it’s a contest with each “side” having “supporters”... akin to One Directioners vs Beliebers.

Rather than be pro or anti anyone, call out crappy behaviour regardless who commits it.

MM has been called out for her obnoxious character because she’s the one who has displayed it in spades. What’s Kate like? Nobody outside her inner circle knows as she’s revealed very little. She could be a stuck up snob who knows. The idea of being “pro” X and “anti” Y makes no sense. You can only comment on what is revealed, and to paraphrase what another great man once said you judge a person by the content of their character.

As I stated in previous post, MM has been reared in a society not known for its humility (which would go some way to explain her lack of it), nor for knowledge of world events/issues (which would go some way to explain her general ignorance), and one that is exceptionally superficial (and entrenched in race issues) where whiteness is seen as the ultimate in beauty (which goes some way to explain her derogatory comment toward African features about being “ugly with frizzy hair”, yeah because only straight/European hair is attractive).

Whatever treatment she got from the media (and we all know how horrible they can be, just ask the Hillsborough families), that’s got no connection to her personality/character, and it’s that what she is being called out for. There are excuses for ugly aspects of her character as I said due to the society she grew up in, but ultimately we are all responsible for how we carry ourselves.

themessygarden · 22/09/2022 08:24

You know, the only time I have ever read disgusting racist slurs in context to MM are on this forum, which is solely thanks to some posters, who claim to be pro MM, but yet love to refer to what they have read on some horrible websites and who have no compunction to refer to the names she is called out on those forums. Websites and forums that I, personally, have never even heard of, don't know if I am in the minority on that..

There is absolutely no need to refer to those terms on mainstream media and certainly not on here.

We all know what racist slurs are, we don't need them repeated here to (supposedly) prove a point.

Readinginthesun · 22/09/2022 08:42

themessygarden · 22/09/2022 08:24

You know, the only time I have ever read disgusting racist slurs in context to MM are on this forum, which is solely thanks to some posters, who claim to be pro MM, but yet love to refer to what they have read on some horrible websites and who have no compunction to refer to the names she is called out on those forums. Websites and forums that I, personally, have never even heard of, don't know if I am in the minority on that..

There is absolutely no need to refer to those terms on mainstream media and certainly not on here.

We all know what racist slurs are, we don't need them repeated here to (supposedly) prove a point.

I agree . In real life I have never heard a racist slur nor have I read any racist articles . A few comments under stories are unpleasant but that’s it . There are also many unpleasant comments about Catherine ( too skinny , workshy .no personality etc)
The DannyBaker “ joke”was horrible and he was rightly sacked but that’s it.

derxa · 22/09/2022 08:46

themessygarden · 22/09/2022 08:24

You know, the only time I have ever read disgusting racist slurs in context to MM are on this forum, which is solely thanks to some posters, who claim to be pro MM, but yet love to refer to what they have read on some horrible websites and who have no compunction to refer to the names she is called out on those forums. Websites and forums that I, personally, have never even heard of, don't know if I am in the minority on that..

There is absolutely no need to refer to those terms on mainstream media and certainly not on here.

We all know what racist slurs are, we don't need them repeated here to (supposedly) prove a point.

Totally agree. We get chapter and verse about all the things that pp have written from the year dot. Frankly I just don't want to read stuff like that. It's written with glee and enjoyment imho

SilverLiningPlaybook · 22/09/2022 08:52

derxa · 22/09/2022 08:46

Totally agree. We get chapter and verse about all the things that pp have written from the year dot. Frankly I just don't want to read stuff like that. It's written with glee and enjoyment imho

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This is so very true. Completely agree. I don’t go on Twitter or other forums. Neither do I read these racist slurs anywhere. The mainstream media are not racist and neither are the posters on this forum.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 22/09/2022 09:00

Something else that comes to mind. There was a black leader of another nation on a programme about the Queen the other day. I missed the start of the interview so didn’t see who he was. He talked about speaking to the Queen about a personal crisis he was going through and asked her to pray for him. She asked him to pray with her on the spot. As he put his hands together, she placed hers outside his and they prayed together for ten minutes. He said he felt all the weight of his problems lift from him and it was really inspirational for him.

That was not the action of a racist. People may say the RF are racist because of that stupid comment related on Oprah in a garbled fashion, with no clear agreement between H and M on what was said. The truth is somewhat different I suspect. Princess Michael excepted.

derxa · 22/09/2022 09:11

SilverLiningPlaybook · 22/09/2022 09:00

Something else that comes to mind. There was a black leader of another nation on a programme about the Queen the other day. I missed the start of the interview so didn’t see who he was. He talked about speaking to the Queen about a personal crisis he was going through and asked her to pray for him. She asked him to pray with her on the spot. As he put his hands together, she placed hers outside his and they prayed together for ten minutes. He said he felt all the weight of his problems lift from him and it was really inspirational for him.

That was not the action of a racist. People may say the RF are racist because of that stupid comment related on Oprah in a garbled fashion, with no clear agreement between H and M on what was said. The truth is somewhat different I suspect. Princess Michael excepted.

The Queen was a Christian in the true sense of the word.
What struck me about about the lying in state queue was the number of non white people. And young people. I'm wary about talking about racism because I'm white and therefore have not experienced it.

Arbesque · 22/09/2022 09:15

SilverLiningPlaybook · 22/09/2022 08:52

This is so very true. Completely agree. I don’t go on Twitter or other forums. Neither do I read these racist slurs anywhere. The mainstream media are not racist and neither are the posters on this forum.

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I agree also.
Of course there are some people who post unfairly and inaccurately about Meghan and should be called on it.

But the angry name calling, racism accusations and being grouped together with every and anyone who said hateful stuff about her if you dare make even a mild
criticism about something she said or did is wearing.

It is possible to not agree with some of the things Meghan does, or to make a positive comment about someone else in the Royal Family without hating Meghan or agreeing with all the racist slurs that ignorant people have made now or in the past.

Farmerazza · 22/09/2022 09:17

jeffgoldblum · 21/09/2022 20:34

Yes her post wasn't inaccurate, but rousette , you must have seen the behaviour from many particular pro posters?
I've lurked for years , I've seen all the for and against threads , I've seen bullying of pro posters ( such as yourself) but I've also seen bullying of critical posters, accused of being racist, nazis, Isis apologisers !!! ( why?) , bieng compared to hitler! , ( that's was directed at me!) and I've also seen poc posters accused of racism! And bullied off the threads for voicing criticism of m and h .

Sorry you were likened to Hitler. What did you say to get such a response at the time?

Farmerazza · 22/09/2022 09:22

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StormzyinaTCup · 22/09/2022 09:22

I noticed that too, it was a hugely diverse mix of people. I’m not sure there is any other modern day figure that would draw people to queue for 12/13 hours to pay there respects that spans all religions, nationalities and races.

We are a culturally diverse and very accepting country and that was clear to see this past couple of weeks.

Yes, there are a small number of people who are not tolerant of anyone different to themselves and will make that known but they are outweighed in number considerably by most people who are normal, tolerant and considerate human beings.

Roussette · 22/09/2022 09:29

I'm wary about talking about racism because I'm white and therefore have not experienced it

And that is totally the right way to be derxa. To deny racism in this country exists is very wrong.
I know different from my own family, not me but one of my DDs is married to a lovely Asian guy. I know it. I hear it.
Pretending it doesn't happen apart from a couple of posts below a newspaper articles is deluded

MaulPerton · 22/09/2022 09:30

It's not normal to hate someone you never met so much to the point of writing so much trash everyday every hour

People are trying to make sense of a very unusual situation. The old chestnut of not being able to have an opinion about a public figure is not compelling. If we followed this rule, we would never discuss anyone in a leadership role again.

Snog · 22/09/2022 09:38

F*armerazza
"*Sorry you were likened to Hitler. What did you say to get such a response at the time?"

This is victim blaming. There are no excuses for likening someone on an Internet forum to Hitler. It also minimises the actions of Hitler to say this.

Farmerazza · 22/09/2022 09:43

Forums like this are great to understand and hear different opinions. Sitting here all day every hour, daily, writing drivel about one person is not normal. It doesn't matter who it is. It's easy to see why someone might be accused of racism.

There's nothing wrong with asking what the poster said - being accused of racism is major. I've known people who deny racism or defend it then say they are not racist. . .