Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

I don't know why you would only allude to it. It's a deplorable thing for a parent to do and deserves strong condemnation.

Because I have my own opinions and can post whatever I like within MN rules. You didn't post asking people to condemn it, you posted asking who would forgive it, that's what I responded to.

She wrote and leaked particular parts this letter to humiliate him, make herself look superior and dominate the narrative.

He leaks her letter and she's the bad guy for outsmarting him because she knows he's the kind of shitbag who'll do that. He deserved to look as shit as possible for doing such a thing. This is a parenting website. If we don't understand that you don't leak your daughter's letters to the press, God help us.

It's her own letter so she can release what she wants from it. She's not betraying anyone by doing that. But a father does that to his daughter, and mothers on a parenting website defend him. Ffs.

I believe what she did was vile. You cannot justify by saying his response caused her to do it.

I also think it severely backfired on her.

Further, MM the one that released it first. It defies belief to say did not know she was going to do this when she wrote it. She workshopped the letter with a professional and expressly mentioned pulling at heartstrings.

I've no idea what his response caused her to do. I just know that a father received a letter from his daughter and took it to the press to attempt to ruin her, and mothers on a website are saying it's totally justified because she was smart enough to know he was a colossal enough turd to do that. Christ, I knew standards for dads could be low but that's weapon level shithousery.

and mothers on a website are saying it's totally justified because she was smart enough to know he was a colossal enough turd to do that. Christ, I knew standards for dads could be low but that's weapon level shithousery.

Who has said this? Who has said he was totally justified in sharing the letter?

What a highly twisted version of events and of what I’ve written.

She wrote a letter, leaked major parts of it herself, then he showed a bit more of it.

You can’t skip over the fact that she leaked it herself and that she wrote it intending to do so.

I don't care that she leaked it herself. She wrote the damn thing, she can send it where she likes. But her fucking father, if he's worthy of the title, had no right leaking it. You don't publicise your daughter's letters to you. If she does, that's her affair. You're the fucking parent and you don't. She wanted him to back off anyway, all he and his reptilian family had to do was stay away as they'd had no trouble doing before she married a prince.

I'm no Meghan fan but it's ridiculous the hatred of her has got as far as people justifying total parental betrayal.

Surely it became "his" letter at the point at which he received it? It was addressed to him.

I'm no Meghan fan but it's ridiculous the hatred of her has got as far as people justifying total parental betrayal.

Again, who is doing that?

It has nothing to do with hatred of anyone. You don’t write a letter to anyone, particularly your aging and infirm parent, and then leak it in an effort to humiliate him and score points for yourself. No human with compassion or character would do such a thing to anyone else.

She’s not a teenager. She doesn’t get to eternally treat her father like complete shit on the world stage while he sits defenseless and silent. Why is this woman so special that rules of decency don’t apply to her?

I just looked this up, apparently the actual letter now belongs to him but the information within still belongs to the sender and if it is shared without permission, legal action can be taken. I confess I am pretty clueless though and that info is from my lawyer Mr Google

And can a person just write utter tripe about another then leak it with impunity, because “it’s her letter.”?

If your neighbor accusing you of stealing in a letter, it’s ok for them to share it publicly but not ok for you to defend yourself?

This will never end until this lady dies - I can't see how people will ever stop!

Every person saying it's fine for a father to leak his daughter's correspondence and tell the tabloids what a bitch she is, ffs. If he'd just stayed totally estranged rather than weaponising the tabloids as his sole form of communication once she was marrying a prince, it could all have been avoided.

But I'm not going to convince anyone that that was weapon level parental shithousery. Which might not surprise me on other platforms, but Mumsnet? Fuck help us. Anyway, goodnight, sleep tight, don't be a shit mother and leak your kids' letters to the Mail on Sunday, don't let the bed bugs bite.

I thought this thread was about the shop! I don’t care about H&M. To me, they are utterly irrelevant, as are most of the royal family, to be fair.

But I'm not going to convince anyone that that was weapon level parental shithousery. Which might not surprise me on other platforms, but Mumsnet? Fuck help us. Anyway, goodnight, sleep tight, don't be a shit mother and leak your kids' letters to the Mail on Sunday, don't let the bed bugs bite.

Good night. I hope you dream of a world where discussion, which doesn't agree entirely with your take, of situations none of us have direct experience of, from various angles, doesn't shock you so much & doesn't lead to accusations of evil/racist/bigoted/bullying/justifying the unjustifiable, and is actually just a normal way of interacting

I'm not saying that - I agree with you. Goodnight

Meghan disowns her father for selling stories but expects a warm welcome from the RF for doing exactly the same thing ?!!! The mental gymnastics must get incredibly tiring for some on here.

For anyone who thinks this woman is being treated fairly

twitter.com/snigskitchen/status/1216767445538693131

Please read this - I couldn't even finish. The obsession with Meghan and demonisation of her character needs to stop. Even Jimmy Saville and murders aren't treated like this. This needs to stop.

She’s not demonised on MN she’s analysed and people give their opinion on what she says/does accordingly.

I think you might need a time out from these threads.

I think MN is in general fair. Most posts are focussed on events and choices

There will always be other places on the internet which deal in shit and drivel (and MN usually deletes repetition, and sometimes even bans those who bring horrible stuff to MN, whatever their purported reasons for repeating it)

There does seem to be a determined effort to polarise MN opinion

Good point.

so not only does Harry juggle (just like a latter day court jester) but Meghan is a contortionist who can tie herself in knots.

It will end when H&M stop talking to the press, doing personal interviews and releasing books.

Someone compared it to Jimmy Savile which it's nuts nobody can defend him he's 100% guilty. Unfortunately people never really came forward until after his death. Or he'd be given a life sentence.

H&M want people to talk. The Oprah interview backfired so now they are having a go with a book.

She’s not demonised on MN she’s analysed and people give their opinion on what she says/does accordingly.

This. The desperation to shut down discussion around this woman and her very public and influential doings is baffling and I see far more intense anger, stress & personal attacks on these threads from her supporters than from those who wish to, as you say @Tillsforthrills, analyse her and her husbands behaviour and how it impacts on The Monarchy and general public opinion. I stay on these threads because I don't like echo chambers - most other platforms where she is discussed are - and they're extremely informative, from both sides, but they're a hard place to be sometimes.