Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Fair enough . As I said , I didn’t know if it was true but I stand by my first sentence - the trust has gone and I think the days ahead - once Royal Mourning is over - will be interesting .

I also think that H+M aren't any more fascinating than any other famous interracial couple - the obsession doesn't really make sense

They are discussed more than any other "famous interracial couple" because of their proximity to the taxpayer. The most central and important entity in all societies is the taxpayer. We are all stakeholders in H & M's behaviour (and Andrew's) because of this.

I don’t believe this conspiracy test speculation - as on day one of HMQ death I read an outline of the London Bridge plan and it said the coffin would come down by train. Sounds a bit Rooney/Vardy

The fuss over the timing is such a petty and silly thing to attack them for. NO time would have been good. For all they know, Phillip could have lived for another 2 years, same as the Queen. If they waited for 10 years, they would have had 'why now?' questions. They really couldn't win no matter when they did it.

I do think Harry and Meghan, no matter how hurt they may be feeling, should move away from tell all interviews and books.

These tactics were used during the Charles and Diana debacle and achieved nothing. It just increased the antagonism and hurt.

It is such a waste of time and energy that could be put into more important causes and crusades.

Its all about the layers, depth and nuance
the situation is fascinating from a cultural, constitutional, political, personal, gender, race, class, money, image, family, institutional perspective and dynamic and it would be satisfying to discuss and debate in a mature and respectful way.

If you look at it from both sides, there was also no compassion from the granny who loved him - no statement from the palace to protect Henry for as long as they have been together. Even when Meghan was depressed and suicidal - it was just silence from the Palace. His Granny had the power to do or say something in support. Meghan had to be supported by random people and 72 female MPs all before the Oprah interview.

Catherine was bullied relentlessly by the media before Meghan - no support for Meghan - nothing from William. I think a lot of it was petty - the fight if they are true. What matters the most is being there for your family no matter what happens.

This is 100% agree with.

They have a platform now, and they have a loyal fan base. Move on from talking about the RF, make sure everything you open your mouth you are talking about charity work, philanthropy projects.

If asked about "the family" simply change the subject back to a positive.

They can do this, and I think they must. Meghan has now almost been out of the royal family longer than she was in. It's done.

The palace made statements defending Catherine on 2 occasions I believe, but refused to for Meghan. Hence why they felt the need to get their side out on OW. If the palace/Queen had only released a statement like they did for Catherine, the whole OW thing could have been avoided.

There's no need to tell people they lack intelligence. We can debate without name calling - in a mature and respectful way, as you say.

I do feel that lack of support from his family and the constant times Harry was thrown under the bus and stories fed to the press by his own family to take focus away from other scandals!
He has grown up around it and knows exactly what happens. They may have still gone to America as I believe the bullying from the media would have continued, but they would not need any interview to tell their side of the situation.

as a matter of interest, what were those two occasions? As a way of judging what support was given to Catherine? I assume you have that information at your fingertips as you have stated it.

That’s what I was trying to say re the ‘obsession’ with them but you said it better.

Have you called other posters much more offensive posts out in this way?

I was actually building on your points about how you were reminded of how young and immature debates were which declined and polarised in the Donny/David days. Win / lose. Black / White - doubling down and entrenched is young as you say and unintelligent. There is much more interesting and intellectual issues to discuss in the give and take of the complex centre rather than the isolated, black and white ends of the discussion.

Almost every celebrity uses a ghost writer - otherwise it is a full time and very hard job that requires talent and skills that not all people have. So can't be blamed for that one

Yes and Harry has like 2 A-level grade c and d doesn't he. 😳 I don't think writing a book is on his lists of talents. I mean it's not on mine either 😂

I mean some people don't have A Levels or even GCSEs - people shouldn't be judged on what grades they left school with - but that's a debate for another day.

Has @tadara been banned?

i hope not

If “no time would be good” and “they couldn’t win no matter when they did it”, then the natural question is: why do it at all?

What exactly are they trying to achieve?

Just move on positively and leave the sniping and dirty laundry airings surely? Where’s the class or dignity?

Wallowing in self-absorbed pity and building a brand off perceived victimhood and mental fragility, an image which relies on ongoing threatening/dropping new RF “truth”-bombs and slagging off the U.K. as a whole, while simultaneously capitalising and profiteering on their diminished RF association - the constitutional head of U.K. - is broadly not endearing behaviour.

If it’s that bad then stop using the titles given by such an odious realm.

‘Biting the hand that feeds you’ springs to mind.

The fuss over the timing is such a petty and silly thing to attack them for.

I disagree and I think this is when any why they saw the tide of public opinion turn against them.

When a family is managing the end of life of a much loved parent / grandparent it is not the time to take to the global stage to throw mud.

They did this twice.

I disagree and I think this is when and* why they saw the tide of public opinion turn against them.

Ok so I don't want to out myself but I've met Harry a few times via the military, the man can't write a book 😂 trust me.

None of them strike me as overly academic, considering the cost of their educations.