Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23779f84-3833-11ed-af07-2ce1575cb71f?shareToken=cf67453a5303ccc2d073a5c1cdc5e636

A lot of that article does suggest cultural differences to me.

Exacerbation there was no pay with walkabouts - her US PR team all about money deals - possibly some of the behavior towards staff - I've certainly read account of some Hollywood celeb's who do expect staff to be on 24/7 - employments law and cultures differ here. Also I think shows misunderstanding about what the Royal family is and they saw it and assumed same as US celebrity.

It also says many issue were there pre Megan - so Harry is a big part of this. I do have some sympathy for Megan while also thinking her behaviors not been great at times - not least the criticism focuses on her and not the dolt she married who really should have prepare her better and has no excuse of cultural misunderstandings.

Thinking of the books I actually can't work out what he's going to put in more than one book.
The guy is only, what 37, probably doesn't remember much about the first 7 years of life. The rumour is its a 3 book deal - a decade a book?

William graduated with a 2:1 from St Andrews .

He'll remember enough about his childhood to give some background to Charles and Diana. Book 1, childhood and his parents' divorce and affairs, and his mother's death. Book 2, adolescence and young adulthood, forging life after losing his mother, army experience and early adulthood as a working royal. Book 3, relationships, the ones that failed and finding fulfilment with Meghan and kicking the Royal Family at every turn while capitalising off it.

He's not had a normal life. There's plenty of fodder.

I hope the new book about H ,& M is false they sound repulsive to staff like two spoilt teenagers.

I would say an alleged inability to understand that being a member of the British royal family is vastly different from being a Hollywood celeb goes well beyond 'cultural misunderstandings', and, if true, would suggest that Meghan is nowhere near as intelligent as her supporters make out.

And do you really think the behaviour described in that article would be acceptable in America? Meghan was pretty low in the 'pecking order' in her acting career. Do you think she'd have been happy if directors or more senior actors treated her in the way she allegedly treated staff?

That’s a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it.

I am totally aghast that she didn’t realise there was a price to be paid for her clothes and lifestyle. Actually doing something in return. Why was she surprised she wasn’t being paid for what she did? It’s staggering.

Meghan's PR in overdrive yesterday, focus on Aussies 🥹.

What a clumsy execution though. No further comment.

i had to mute ‘house beautiful’ on my social media feed as the Meghan Markle reporting was so frequent and over the top. I only like house stuff on my IG, no polluting with any of royal family

The whole thing makes me very sad. It is clear that Harry was both struggling and behaving badly pre-Meghan and that they have developed a siege mentality and see themselves as under attack.

Call it cultural differences, blame Harry for not explaining it or wonder why allegedly bright Meghan didn't work it out for herself, but it's equally chrystal clear that the role is nothing like Meghan had expected. And while I think tit for tat books, podcasts and interviews is a terrible way to deal with the situation I also genuinely worry about their mental health. It's hard to see the situation improving and ultimately the palace and the monarchy will protect Charles & William.

I also feel sad for Charles. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see a way back for him & Harry.

Wow.

So many senior, highly respected and connected names (with long careers both inside and outside of the RF) here in this article basically experiencing, reporting or being exposed to the shocking behaviour and bullying by H&M of their staff.

Sam Cohen
Sir David Manning
Sara Latham
Melissa Touabti
Fiona Mcilwham
Simon Case
The Lord Chamberlain
Amy Pickerill
Jason Knauf
Angela Kelly

I just can’t believe this could be written without their sign off and I can’t see why these disparate people would collude to concoct a made up story.

The article is consistent with insights from The Behaviour Panel expert analysis of the OW interview that suggested that PH has a long standing fractured relationship with PC/KC way before MM came on the scene and that her story of the bridesmaids incident was deceptive.

Seems from this article that making people cry is her MO.

I also see the manipulative and abusive DARVO process in action. Seems from the timeline from that there were huge issues behind the scenes with H&M behaviour to staff and complaints had already been made to HR and Simon Case PC’s PS. This seems to be the trigger for the Tom Bradbury interview - the heat is rising behind the scenes on MM so Defend, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. Same with the OW interview - MM mortified about the making Kate cry leak to the press - so again does the DARVO - “she made me cry” …. honestly look at The Behaviour Panel analysis of this clip who all see right through it.

@DFOD i follow The Behaviour Panel and they have also done an analysis on H when he talked to Oprah about his mental health.

I haven’t seen that one yet but noticed they did one last week on Oprah Winfrey after she came out after HMQs death to distance herself from the content of the H&M interview

It takes an unaware bully to defend another unaware bully even if they do not know one another. That's how mean girl cliques form in schools and workplaces. Reader beware.

MM types are remarkably similar and cross every social/racial boundary. Once you have experienced their behaviour you can never unsee it in others. For those who have not, she is a walking textbook case.

I knew the gloves were going to come off but I never expected it to happen this quickly, KC & POW seem to have...hit the ground running...so to speak 😏

To be fair, this book had been scheduled for release this autumn. Initially it was thought that Tom Bower's book would be one with major revelations, but this now looks close behind. Mind you, this is about courtiers so as a pp said, it may have uncomplimentary things to say about other members of the royal family too. M&H are always good for headlines, in that respect - hence the first release being about them.

I disagree at all that they did it at all let alone twice.

When would the time have been right?

🤭Yes, I was in no doubt gloves would be off too but blimey they really aren’t hanging around. It’s not going to be pretty.

And do you really think the behaviour described in that article would be acceptable in America? Meghan was pretty low in the 'pecking order' in her acting career. Do you think she'd have been happy if directors or more senior actors treated her in the way she allegedly treated staff?

Where have I said it was acceptable?

I've said several times she's behaved badly.

However there's a long history in western civilisation of blaming women for men's mistakes -and I do think there is some of that. The poor Harry narrative about a grown man frankly grates it very much of the poor helpless innocent seduced by bad woman trope.

I'm also aware employment law in many US states are dire and sadly bad behavior from US celebrates towards staff used to be common tabloid folder before NDA become the norm. There's a lot of poor behavior around - there were stories coming about abouts Suits casts attitudes towards staff and the male lead was apparently much worse - does that make it acceptable no but it's
clearly a wider issue than Megan and does show a very dark side to some areas of US culture.

One of the main people who really should have pulled Megan up about her behaviour was Harry - that article - which I agree seems well sourced- does say there were issues before Megan and also says he seemed to scared to talk to his wife - a grown man who can't have an adult conversation with his own wife.

Also from last few weeks from things I've seen on internet from america from various sources I don't think they do "get" the monarchy, UK constitution or large swaths of UK culture and the grasp of even their own history is generally shaky.
The common language does seem to trip both sides up to thinking they understand the other's culture.

I'm not a Megan supporter I liked her at first though it would be a good thing- African trip was my first WTF moment and it's only got much worse - but much of the criticism centres on her giving her Nazi dressing Prince a pass when he is also right there - not some helpless hostage but an adult also making bad fucking decisions.

I think the situation is sad all round - hard to impossible to come back from.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/23779f84-3833-11ed-af07-2ce1575cb71f?shareToken=cf67453a5303ccc2d073a5c1cdc5e636

Confirmed in my opinion that they are a pair of "no nothing; won't listen" idiots

You disagree that they did it at all - let alone twice?

What was the OW interview in the weeks before PP death? - Once.

And what was the veiled threats in The Cut interview days before HMQs death? Twice.

know with a k & w obvs