Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

There’s is talk he is writing another chapter so it won’t be out till next year . Who knows though?

I understood it was a 3/4 book deal anyway?

The H&M situation is fascinating from a cultural, constitutional, political, personal, gender, race, class, money, image, family, institutional perspective and dynamic and it would be satisfying to discuss and debate in a mature and respectful way.

Absolutely agree

I just think that the RF has shown they can move on without Meghan and Harry’s

Meghan and Harry can use TQ’s passing as an opportunity to talk about how great she was in a positive way and move forward, and leave the victim narrative behind, unless Harry’s book drags them back down to this narrative.

I wonder if The Times article will trigger a U turn by the RF in publishing the bullying report?

My take when it was announced by the RF that they wouldn’t publish it was because the Jubilee celebrations were imminent and they did not want them sullied and derailed by this report?

But maybe it showed a lot of ugly behaviour all round?

*Harry, 37, is writing a memoir with the American ghostwriter, JR Moehringer, but it was reported that a spokesperson for Penguin Random House confirmed that it does not yet have a publication date – and would not confirm whether or not the book would still be released this year.

As part of their $100 million deal with the streaming service Netflix, Oscar-nominated director Liz Garbus is reportedly working on a docu-series about their lives, although it remains unclear when it may be released.*

Im wondering why Harry needs a ghostwriter though..

Writing is hard.

Compare Finding Freedom to JR Moehringer’s work with Andre Agassi that produced the genuinely brilliant autobiography “Open” and you’ll see the difference!

Moehringer’s involvement is one reason why I am looking forward to seeing what Harry’s book is like. He took Agassi, a hugely likeable personality with some big flaws and issues, and was still able to show him as likeable despite also being completely honest about who he is, and the kind of person he had to be to be a top tennis champion. Truly fabulous writing.

I agree that H&M would benefit hugely if they switched the narrative to one of personal growth, healing and reconciliation - building bridges etc.

Michelle Obama advised this directly after the OW interview and OW and GK were hoping and encouraging this after HMQ death.

However I don’t think it will happen. I think there is too much entrenched hurt on both sides. There may have been a truce for the funeral but seems that the trust has been broken.

Just days before HMQs death MM was still issuing sly barbed veiled threats about what she could or would say about the RF - when she knew HMQ was v v frail and ill.

There is / was no need to carry on the digs IMHO at this time years after they left and after a bit of a thaw and progress at the Jubilee celebrations.

It's not unusual. Most of those autobiographies you read supposedly written by the celebrity themselves are ghostwritten. Writing is a skill and talent, not something anyone can do.

Was it not said at the time that there would be a follow up book however it would only be published after The Queen’s death ?

Just days before HMQs death MM was still issuing sly barbed veiled threats about what she could or would say about the RF - when she knew HMQ was v v frail and ill.

Just pointing out also that the day before the Queen died Omid Scobie published an article on Yahoo including these comments about why there was no family catch up scheduled while the Sussexes were over from LA:

“There’s a laughable effort to suggest the [Sussexes] have been shunned,” someone familiar with the current family dynamics tells me…. "The true story is, they never reached out to the Cambridges.”

Even a senior palace aide confessed to me, “Looking at [the coverage], you would be forgiven for thinking that certain family members have had a say in the matter. They have not.”

“People are desperate for steps to be made but behind the scenes there hasn’t been movement,” explains a family friend. “What [Harry] is waiting for is accountability… Many lines were crossed by William. He was at the centre of a number of painful moments, be it the actions of his own staff or turning his back when support was needed. It was a dark time and one that, so far, William has been unprepared to unpack.”

That’s interesting. I didn’t know anything about the ghostwriter. I would have thought Harry would have used Meghan to write it. FF certainly has her stamp all over it.

what an offensive post. yet you berate pro posters.......

How do you know H+M and the RF aren't doing that already. It works both ways - their family has to also want to understand them and make amends. There's no point forgiving and moving on if someone will keep treating you the same way.

If my brother kept stealing from me for example - he wouldn't be welcome at my house. Let's not forget all these people are human.

Exactly my thoughts - people here throw offensive vocabulary in a quite condescending way then cry wolf when they are called racist. There's no need for any of that. I also think that H+M aren't any more fascinating than any other famous interracial couple - the obsession doesn't really make sense.

You would need a professional writer to write anything that would be readable. The vast majority of people just don't have that specific skill or aptitude.
That's not a slur on Meghan. But there's no reason to believe she's a professional standard writer.

Well I was trying?! I'm neither pro nor against. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I find the whole situation bizzare like some soap opera, that some people are clearly far too invested in.

It's very clear each side has done something or a phew things that have wronged the other side. I don't think anyone is "in the right" and anyone is "the only victim".

But none of us will ever really know, because none of us where a fly on the wall.

The trust had gone .
Scobie insisted that The Queen’s coffin was to be transported by Royal Train to London .
This story was allegedly told to Harry by William to test him . True or not true I don’t know but Scobie seemed pretty sure of himself when he announced it( even though he didn’t know that Scotland is part of the U.K.!)

It would appear that Scobie, hasn't a Scoobie Doo about what's going on....😂

Of course it requires baby steps to be taken cautiously and respectfully by both sides towards the centre.

The point I am making is that making sly digs in The Cut interview to a global audience about what ammunition you may have and whether you will throw it or not at the family days before HMQs death does not indicate this process from this party at least. To still be sabre rattling years later indicates a “stickiness” and restricted emotional capacity to evolve, adapt and move on with the life choices you have made.

It is also incredibly insensitive and self absorbed from a timing perspective when someone is at end of life - but they have form for this given the timing of the OW interview in weeks leading up to PP death.

There was no compassion for his adored grandmothers heartache at this time. Their truth trumped everything. They could have had their say at a different time in a different way but their impulsivity and lack of empathy for others at this is clear to see.

Exactly. Not everyone has an automatic default position of 'Meghan is right' or 'Meghan is wrong'. For many it depends on the particular issue under discussion. But that discussion quite quickly descends into cat calling and accusations of racism or Meghan hating and it becomes impossible to have a rational conversation.
It's the rl equivalent of just shouting over someone all the time without actually listening to what they're saying.

Who would have thought that these brothers would ever get tot the point where they needed to test each other? No wonder Harry wasn’t told till the last minute about the death of the Queen. Scobie would have been splashing it all over Twitter within minutes.

This story was allegedly told to Harry by William to test him . True or not true I don’t know but Scobie seemed pretty sure of himself when he announced it( even though he didn’t know that Scotland is part of the U.K.!)

That I don’t think is accurate, Readinginthsun. Operation Unicorn, the plan for what happened is the Queen was in Scotland when she died, did plan for the Queen to be transported from Edinburgh to London by train.

I haven’t seen anything definitive that explains why that plan was changed, but have heard two theories that sound sensible - firstly, they decided to leave her in St Giles longer so more people could pay their respects. And secondly, it was determined to be a health and safety risk transporting her by train if people wanted to stand by the tracks as the train went past (which they probably would have!)

Harry and Meghan are of no more interest in themselves than any other celebrity in the spotlight. It's more due to them throwing shade on the British HOS in the form of the royal family. They're benefitting financially from muck spreading on a grand scale.

No-one would be interested in the silly pair if it wasn't for the royal connection, and my goodness they're milking it for all it's worth.

As for the bullying claims against Meghan - she was, in effect, joining an old, well established family business. In that situation you don't get the job then immediately start making changes and demanding things, you watch, learn, and perhaps after a while, and having gained some understanding, you see things which could maybe be done better, you make some suggestions. If you are joining a new culture, you don't expect the culture to bend to fit you.