Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Lt Colonel Kofi Twumasi-Ankrah finished his service as Equerry in 2020. He did walk with the Queens funeral procession last week.

Oh come off it - every word in that letter was written in the sure knowledge it would hit the press one day. Stands out a mile. No one writes in that flowery prose otherwise. And didn't she give copies to the "5 friends?"

I'm pretty critical of Meghan these days, but her father's a complete tosser and she was right to cut him off. I would too.

But she called him "dear daddy" in the letter, so that when he leaked it, it would "tug at the heartstrings". That is extreme plotting against a parent whose main fault seems to be that his face doesn't fit her new life-style. He's too fat and shabby.

If she wrote it expecting it to hit the press, she was right not to trust him and he's still a prick who sells out his daughter.

I said he'd behaved badly. But I think Meghan (and Harry) have also behaved pretty badly too, in the way they've slagged off his entire family to the whole world on film. Were they really expecting a warm welcome when they returned?

Haha yeah, I agree there.

I'm estranged from my father and my letter should I ever want to would include some "fruity language" 😂

It would probably start

Dear sperm doning cunt,

.....

Regards and fuck off
CaptainBarbosa

He didn't commit a crime but morally he is corrupt and not fit to be in their lives. He and the sister are quite toxic. I am not sure anyone needs a brief of all the horrible things he has done. I'd encourage anyone with people like that in their family to distance themselves. It doesn't matter if it's a parent.

When you're the type of man who'd sell your own daughter's personal letters to the press and slag her off, you've got no leg to stand on to criticise her behaviour. If she knew what you were like and outsmarted you by writing a letter knowing you'd use it to betray her, more fool you.

Like I said, I'm fairly critical of her these days, but that was sheer unadulterated shittiness. People are told to cut off their parents on here every day for less than that. No excuse. Shit of a father.

She probably gets her natural unlikability from her dad and is very similar to him. It seems unlikely that such a spectacular estrangement resulted from just one incident.

"People are told to cut off their parents on here every day for less than that"

People are also told to leave their bastards of husbands for crimes such as leaving the top off the toothpaste.
Not sure I'd take the "wisdom" of Mumsnet as a guide for living in the real world.

I actually think the LTBs are usually valid, actually. Nobody goes to MN to ask about a minor tiff in a healthy relationship.

Still, selling your daughter's letters publicly is utterly shit. I'd cut him off for that too.

I’ve been reading the snippets of the article with skepticism thinking that the press are clearly out to get them. But reading the extract from the Times, it’s clear it’s very well written and researched, not like the shit from Tom bower or omid scobie or that hack Angela levin.

that’s a lot of detail, with specific names and instances, which makes me think that there’s some sort of truth there.

I’ve always said that I thought the biggest issues were Meghans lack of understanding that the royals are different to celebrities. Most of that can be based down to Harry never taking the time to help her understand or preparing for it (I mean, not letting her know till she was in the car she had to curtesy to the Queen???). However, it’s really interesting to see that this behaviour from Harry predated Meghan.

Harry has Diana’s good and bad traits. He has her warmth and compassion, but also her spiteful side. She was well known to kick people out for no reason and hold grudges, and he seems to be very much like this. I suspect much time was always spent beforehand talking him down off a ledge and calming him down, but with M, he’s now with someone who is equally happy to detonate without thinking of the implications.

Most of that can be based down to Harry never taking the time to help her understand or preparing for it (I mean, not letting her know till she was in the car she had to curtesy to the Queen???). However, it’s really interesting to see that this behaviour from Harry predated Meghan.
Completely agree that much of this is on Harry and that his faults are laid at Meghan's door for "taking away" Diana's boy. And yet...

Meghan is/was an actress. I just don't believe that the second she started dating Harry she didn't start practicing her curtsy in front of the mirror.

Yes quite agree

I've gone back to check - the witness statements from both Thomas Markle and the MoS/Associated Newspapers say that TM did not ask for and did not receive payment for showing them Meghan’s letter.

A very short extract from his witness statement is as follows:

“Although I was approached by other journalists for comment after the article in People magazine was published, I decided to reach out to Caroline Graham of the Mail On Sunday to say that I wanted to get the truth out there.

I never asked for and I never received any payment for the article.

It was important to me in setting the record straight about me and about the tone and content of the letter that Caroline should not just describe what Meg had written but that she should actually quote from and reproduce parts of the letter.
If the public didn’t see the letter and read what it said in its own words, I did not think anyone would believe me.

The Mail On Sunday respected my wish to publish extracts from the letter as it was telling my story and it was up to me to say which parts of the letter needed to be published for me to tell that story.

I was therefore shown all of the extracts and I approved publication of those extracts. I could have said no if they had wanted to publish parts of the letter which I didn’t want published.

The choice was mine. I did not want the whole of the letter to be published. The reason for that was because I thought the letter as a whole made Meg look terrible.

I do not want to attack or hurt her. I just wanted to defend myself by countering the impression given of me and of the letters between Meg and me by the People article, and I didn’t think it was necessary to publish the whole letter to do that – but it was necessary to publish the extracts that were published.”

Source: Judiciary.uk

TM did not ask for and did not receive payment for showing them Meghan’s letter

I still wouldn't forgive him. Who would?

Both Meghan and Harry seem to have inherited really unhelpful ways of behaving and dealing with difficult relationships.
M is behaving like her father in respect of the RF. Seeking validation and wanting to put her own version of events out there, no matter how bad it makes her look or what damage she does.
H is behaving like his mother. All emotional hurt and anger, lashing out at shadows and snarling at anyone who tries to help. Throwing grenades at anything that moves.

Would you forgive her for giving the letter to her friend so that parts of the letter could be published in People?

What's to forgive? If she wants to publish her own letter, she can. It's not for the people to whom she sent it to decide.

If she sent it to him to outsmart him because she knew he's the kind of arsehole who would do that, good for her.

Sheesh, as if we'd justify this kind of shite from parents on here under any other circumstances. No, you don't go to the press with your daughter's correspondence unless you're the kind of parent who doesn't deserve a daughter.

I would probably, if he had hitherto been an involved, loving parent, as she repeatedly claimed he was. It was an unprecedented situation, suddenly the whole works was watching him, and he doesn't appear to be a particularly bright/savvy person. I mean maybe he was actually a shit Dad the whole time and this behaviour was the final straw, none of us knows, but I am a big believe in the three narratives theory - his story, her story, the truth.

Lol I thought this thread was going to be about the H&M shop. I was thinking why would the shops not be important 😂

I would probably, if he had hitherto been an involved, loving parent, as she repeatedly claimed he was.

Bollocks he was. As if a loving parent would do that. Now she's in the wrong for giving him an undeserved compliment.

Shit father.

Yes, I alluded to that possibility in the rest of my post.

I don't know why you would only allude to it. It's a deplorable thing for a parent to do and deserves strong condemnation.

She wrote and leaked particular parts this letter to humiliate him, make herself look superior and dominate the narrative. I can understand his response even if my own would have been silence. At worst I would say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. She outweighs him tremendously in power and media savvy. She’s a 40 year old woman. She doesn’t get a pass for her bad behavior. Deserves is a funny word that works both directions.