Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

I suppose William and Kate have become 'more important' which makes Harry and Meghan look less relevant now.

They don't want to be working royals. Harry and his children move up the line of succession, but that's all.

Because they both left the royal family maybe? Shocking explanation I know

Also, they have distanced themselves from Charles and William, who are now more powerful.

Because he dropped down the line of succession when Prince William's children were born, they are now older and more newsworthy.

I am old enough to remember the same thing happening to Prince Andrew after William and Harry were born...

They’re no longer working members of the Royal Family. They demoted themselves.

And with the passing over of a generation, William & Catherine’s children will become more important the older they get.

And with the Queen gone, and if relationships remain strained with Charles and William, Harry will have less and less reason to visit.

Rank wise they're now the the Andrew and Sarah of their generation plus they didn't want to be working Royals.

Good points. And its true that W's three kids have been getting more and more space recently.

Maybe the queen dying has shifted the focus of our narrative: before it was the queen and her grandchildren, the nation's "boys" and the tragedy of their mother. With the queen gone that generation turns and becomes really the past rather than the present, and the new story is W&K and the three children.

Because they quit? You don’t get to go on the company team-building jollies 2 years after you left the job.

Because he was 3rd in line to the throne & now he's 6th?

It really is as simple as they opted not to be working royals.

He is actually back up to 5th however as others have said , he and his wife decided that they didn’t want to be working Royals and left the U.K. They are still part of the family but that’s it .

Harry is in exactly the same position Princess Margaret was - at one time, the next in line to the throne.

The only reason she made the news was because of things like her divorce.she became less newsworthy as the Queen had children, who then had children. The “core” royal family (as far as the press and general public were concerned) evolved and she moved out of the public eye.

today, most people would probably not even recognise her children, far less know anything about them.

the big difference is that PM only ever spoke respectfully about her sister and continued to carry out engagements until she became too I’ll to do so. H&M have discovered that bitching about his family leaves the world agog for more and keeps the big bucks rolling in.

I don't think Harry and Meghan's position has changed. They were Non working royals before the Queen died, and still are now Charles is King. What has changed is William and Kate are now Prince and Princess of Wales and have double Dukedoms of Cornwall and Cambridge. Their children also swop their Cambridge name for Wales. Harry and Meghan will go back to US after Queens funeral so won't be doing any more royal duties.

Well as you say, technically they've become more important.

But, regardless of the estrangement, as time has gone on William and Harry have gone from being essentially one unit WilliamAndHarry to more and more separate due to William's position as heir. I think this week has probably been the quickest and the biggest shift in that sense.

Is he actually in line for the throne at all given he's said he's not a working royal? Should the worse happen and Will and all his kids die, I assume they'd go to Charles's oldest sibling, not Harry?

I don’t think Harry & Meghan have become less important. It’s just that William & Catherine have become MORE important.

William is now the Heir Apparent and the Crown Prince. He’s inherited all the lovely titles that go with that (Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall etc). He will now slowly be preparing to become King after his father’s death.

Harry has moved up one place in the succession but is still essentially the same. There’s nothing for him to inherit so he will continue to live his life as he has done unless something truly terrible happens.

Bit confused by what it's got to do with the royal family, but I think H&M are less important because they're fast fashion and we're all more aware of the impact of that. Hopefully there will still be affordable options though. Charles has done so much for the environment, is that what you mean?

Yes this.

Beyond that it makes no difference, they are non working royals as before.

No he’s still in line

I reckon there will be some changes announced after the mourning period . At the moment both Andrew and Harry are Counsellors of State which is unacceptable.

In some respects Harry is a lot like his late Great auntie Margaret, Same position in the family (heir and spare) quite mischievous and naughty, probably feeling something of a spare part. It's probably quite difficult living in the shadow of a sibling who will become Monarch.
I must admit I preferred Harry when he was one of the lads although some of his antics were a bit questionable, the British public largely forgave him.
He doesn't seem to have cracked a smile since he got married

Still in line. And if he withdrew and an accident took out the Cambridges (Waleses I guess!), then the heir would be Andrew who is also still in the line of succession.

Exactly this. This is what drives me mad about the Meghan fans who were frothing at the idea of Archie not being a Prince (and have been proved wrong). ‘But he'll be the King’s grandson, it’s a disgrace!!!’ David Linley and Sarah Chatto are also a King’s grandchildren. I bet they never mounted a protest against them not being a Prince and Princess - and that was based on fact and actual sexism, not speculation and presumed racism.

Sorry missed everything except op due to screaming fighty baby and screaming toddler constantly grabbing laptop and making it scroll. 🤭 Makes more sense now.