Page 5 | Why are H&M "less important" now?

thefoggiest · 2022-09-17T08:16:50+00:00

Let's not make this a bashing thread! But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"? By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Pearshaped20 · 20/09/2022 08:19

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:04

Lady Sarah Chatto and Lord Linley were not the grandchildren of a living monarch, they were the Queen’s niece and nephew, hence why they weren’t titled Prince and Princess

As @JustLyra says, that’s not so - George V issued Letters Patent in 1917 (I think to slim down the monarchy then!). HRH went down the male line as far as grandchildren. So - strictly speaking, Edward and Sophie’s kids are and can call themselves HRH Prince James of Wessex and HRH Princess Louise of Wessex. They’ve just chosen the titles of the children of an Earl.

As an aside - presumably this now applies to Harry & Meghan’s kids? All those lies about the kids not having titles because of her skin colour (they were great grandchildren and therefore not entitled at birth); since the death of the Queen, presumably they are entitled to use the Prince/Princess of Sussex titles as of now? They don’t have to wait for Charles to bestow them.

I agree Archie and Lilibet were always in line to have the titles once the Queen died. What HMV now hankering for is the HRH bit to be added. I respect their decision to back away and be non working royals and live the life of their choosing. But if the public life of Royalty was so bad they couldn't carry on with it why would they want to bestow that burden and all it entails on their children? It doesn't make any sense except to generate H&M more publicity and $$$. I hope they do become less important, they live far away, and have no roles as working royals... its what they wanted after all

Pearshaped20 · 20/09/2022 08:20

HMV 😂 another brand. need to learn to read... Obviously H & M

Farmerazza · 20/09/2022 08:21

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

The press will never leave them alone - They make too much money from H+M, they will not stop.

LittleBearPad · 20/09/2022 08:21

There’s no sense in the children having HRH’s. They are growing up thousands of miles away. They won’t have a public role. Americans won’t care - bring a prince and princess will be exciting enough!

Novum · 20/09/2022 08:24

JenniferBarkley · 17/09/2022 10:58

Still in line. And if he withdrew and an accident took out the Cambridges (Waleses I guess!), then the heir would be Andrew who is also still in the line of succession.

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No, the heir would be Archie, unless there is any mechanism to abdicate on his behalf, which seems unlikely.

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:27

The press will never leave them alone - They make too much money from H+M, they will not stop.

That’s probably true now. But that’s of their own making as they’ve sold themselves to the highest bidder. I still think they could’ve done it originally, though, if that’s really what they wanted. If they’d moved away to, say, a quiet part of Canada and got on with bringing up their kids there, the press furore would’ve died down and it wouldn’t be an issue. They’ve caused most of it by trying to sell themselves to the media.

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:29

unless there is any mechanism to abdicate on his behalf, which seems unlikely.

This is an interesting question; when Edward VIII abdicated, he did renounce the throne for all and any heirs (there weren’t any). So not sure how it would work in practice?

Thisbastardcomputer · 20/09/2022 08:29

You can't exclude yourselves, then when it might not suit you, be upset and angry that others exclude you.

JustLyra · 20/09/2022 08:31

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:29

unless there is any mechanism to abdicate on his behalf, which seems unlikely.

This is an interesting question; when Edward VIII abdicated, he did renounce the throne for all and any heirs (there weren’t any). So not sure how it would work in practice?

You can’t really renounce on behalf of other people already born.

That said if any royal wants their child out of the succession line they just have to have them christened as Catholic as that still takes you out.

Bogofftosomewherehot · 20/09/2022 08:32

They opted out. What do you expect.

lemmein · 20/09/2022 08:35

What HMV now hankering for is the HRH bit to be added.

How do you know this?

LaMarschallin · 20/09/2022 08:37

Pearshaped20 · 20/09/2022 08:20

HMV 😂 another brand. need to learn to read... Obviously H & M

That did make me smile.
His master's voice - I always liked that logo.

CatsandFish · 20/09/2022 08:38

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

@WimpoleHat They didn't lie. They were told that the children wouldn't get titles. And they had an informal ceremony 3 days before, in some cultures like some African Americans they perform a non-binding ceremony first, before the legal one, and often consider the first one the real one. People were culturally ignorant and misunderstood them but at no stage did they actually lie about anything.

Happyher · 20/09/2022 08:39

H&M said they did not want titles for their children when Archie was born so it shouldn’t be an issue for them. Charles has made no comment about it and he may well wish to change the rules which he can as King. Peter Phillips and Zara Tindall have grown up without titles to no detriment and are clearly much loved family members. H&M are now just other family members so they are less prominent, but Harry hasn’t relinquished his position in line to the Crown as far as we’re aware

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:40

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

Yes quite.
Trashing your family and then expecting a warm welcome is most odd. The extent of their difficulties is not just the past trashing, but I am sure every one of the RF were alert to the fact there was/is future trashing to come potentially chilling their reception further.

The fact that Harry failed to sing the National anthem when he knew the world was watching does not bode well at all. It’s not like he could have forgotten the blinking words!!

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:41

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

Yes quite.
Trashing your family and then expecting a warm welcome is most odd. The extent of their difficulties is not just the past trashing, but I am sure every one of the RF were alert to the fact there was/is future trashing to come potentially chilling their reception further.

The fact that Harry failed to sing the National anthem when he knew the world was watching does not bode well at all. It’s not like he could have forgotten the blinking words!!

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:41

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

Yes quite.
Trashing your family and then expecting a warm welcome is most odd. The extent of their difficulties is not just the past trashing, but I am sure every one of the RF were alert to the fact there was/is future trashing to come potentially chilling their reception further.

The fact that Harry failed to sing the National anthem when he knew the world was watching does not bode well at all. It’s not like he could have forgotten the blinking words!!

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:42

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

Yes quite.
Trashing your family and then expecting a warm welcome is most odd. The extent of their difficulties is not just the past trashing, but I am sure every one of the RF were alert to the fact there was/is future trashing to come potentially chilling their reception further.

The fact that Harry failed to sing the National anthem when he knew the world was watching does not bode well at all. It’s not like he could have forgotten the blinking words!!

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:42

WimpoleHat · 20/09/2022 08:17

I imagine Harry when he quit did not really envisage the extent of his difficulties still attending family occasions/state
occasions

It’s not about the quitting, I think. They could have done a (higher profile, admittedly) version of what the Duchess of Kent did; gave up Royal duties (with HMQ’s blessing) and went to become a piano teacher. Harry and Meghan could’ve moved abroad (they had plenty of money; millions but not mega millions) and, after a period of time, the press would have lost most of their interest. It’s the trying to cash in on their position by monetising their Royal status (always been a huge no-no for the Queen), telling lies (no kids’ titles because of race/the Archbishop of Canterbury performing an illegal private marriage to name but two) and totally trashing their family in public that’s caused him the problem coming back for family occasions.

Yes quite.
Trashing your family and then expecting a warm welcome is most odd. The extent of their difficulties is not just the past trashing, but I am sure every one of the RF were alert to the fact there was/is future trashing to come potentially chilling their reception further.

The fact that Harry failed to sing the National anthem when he knew the world was watching does not bode well at all. It’s not like he could have forgotten the blinking words!!

Kissingfrogs25 · 20/09/2022 08:43

Sorry mumsnet server went crazy and posted my reply loads of times!

Linzi8 · 20/09/2022 08:45

Yeah, I saw a repeat post on another thread I'm on as well. Hopefully it's stopped now!

TheFairyCaravan · 20/09/2022 08:48

It always makes me laugh when the same old posters repeat that the RF won’t want to have a conversation in front of Harry and Meghan incase it ends up on Oprah. No one ever seems to acknowledge the hundreds and hundreds of stories leaked about them by William Palace Sources, though.

CatsandFish · 20/09/2022 08:52

TheFairyCaravan · 20/09/2022 08:48

It always makes me laugh when the same old posters repeat that the RF won’t want to have a conversation in front of Harry and Meghan incase it ends up on Oprah. No one ever seems to acknowledge the hundreds and hundreds of stories leaked about them by William Palace Sources, though.

Yep, and by that hateful and venomous Dan Wooten who is William and Kate's operative in the media.

Welshrarebitontoast · 20/09/2022 08:52

Genuinely clicked on this thinking it was about the shop chain 😅

Line of succession? Decision to make a "new life abroad"? Daily Fail finding new victims to hound?

clyspa · 20/09/2022 08:54

The fairy

I don't get your point? If I leaked to the press it would be what I want out there with my chosen slant on it.

If someone else leaked what I said (and I didn't want that) plus did so with a negative slant then I'd watch myself around them.

The two aren't somehow mutually reliant. So it's reasonable to state the RF may watch themselves around H but also may let stuff be leaked.

You seem to suggest you can't do one if you do the other. As a point of fact of course you can.

The right or wrong of it is another matter altogether.