Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

I know what you mean and I sense that H and M will drift away now and seem less connected with the Royal family.

I think it might be because the Queen was one of Harry’s big links back to his family, and also she may have had strong views on how the relationship with him should be handled. Hard to guess but perhaps Charles and William will give him shorter shrift. He has certainly been working quite hard to offend them both by insulting their wives! I just feel that without the Queen, a big force for unity, and a big influence and controlling factor on peoples behaviour is gone. So it is easier to see Harry and the rest of the family just drifting apart.

Bit confused by what it's got to do with the royal family, but I think H&M are less important because they're fast fashion and we're all more aware of the impact of that.

This is my favourite ever post on the Royals board @PeekabooAtTheZoo
Particularly as it took me a moment to twig and I read it thinking: “she called Harry & Meghan ‘fast fashion’? Bit harsh!”

Well, Harry is now more important in some ways than his cousins. Before the Queen died he was no longer in the direct line of succession because of William's kids and he was just one of eight grandchildren.

Now he one of two sons of the monarch. In terms of precedence and succession he is higher/better off than he was before.

But in practical terms because he's not a working royal anymore and plans to live overseas it doesn't really make much difference in the UK.

Might help his networking in the US though - the King's son will impress some people.

I think Harry's role this week will definitely boost his over seas ratings.
In many TV shots he is directly begin the coffin looking like the chief mourner.he looks very regal with his red hair and he has just had a presence this week!

Harry is the son of the King . In fact , it may be argued that he has become more important despite not being a working royal
The media is obsessed with Harry and Meghan so they will always be of interest and important whether people like it or not.

Edward is also an option for regent, and seen as Edward actually lives in the same country as George and is probably a closer relative overall due to this.

My money would be on Edward being the regent for George.

That would require a radical change to the Regency Act as Harry, Andrew, Beatrice and Eugenie are ahead of Edward in the line of succession.

Not really, I mean they made amendments when Elizabeth II was on the throne and all her children under 18.

They changed it so Phillip could be regent and the queen mother councillor of state again should QE die before Charles was 18. This act expired once Charles turned 18.

So they just pass a new one, and it could name Catherine as the regent over George to be honest if Phillip was allowed before.

I think the last 10 days has emphasised how separate they have become from the rest of the RF.

Without his grandmother there as a calming& unifying influence, I can see the relationship becoming even more remote. Charles will be very busy, I don't think there is much agreement between the two princes and there is no-one else left to make any effort after H&M go back to the US.

They're less important because they relinquished their place in the "working" family.

So they don't get invited to the same stuff, just the family events.

It's not a downgrade. It's what they chose

It would be radical to change it to Edward bypassing 4 people higher than him in the line of succession .

Philip was an acceptable choice over Margaret back then because he was male, not a party animal and royal himself.

It would be interesting to see how the British public responded to the suggestion of Catherine, who the press still steadfastly refer to as Kate Middleton, as Regent.

What kind of title is that. Clearly you want it to be a bashing thread.

But the OP does state in her first post for it not to be a bashing thread, and as you can see, it really isn’t.

I said all this on another thread as it was relevant and said I now half-expected people to come along and be disruptive deliberately.

Both of them have been slap Bangalore center at the heart of all this.

They "rank" higher than most other royal! If anything it's shown the world their rank whether they or anyone else wants or doesn't want it

I think it would be less radical for Edward than Uncle I don't sweat, I like pizza and barely legal girls, but call me Andrew to "care for George" 😂

Yeah why do the press do that? She's not been Kate Middleton's for over a decade now! I'd get Kate, but I think she likes to go by Catherine as that's what The King called her in his first speech.

It would be radical to skip people higher in line to him, so if they removed Harry because he lives in the US and Andrew out it would still be something to skip the two York girls. The point of a hereditary monarchy is birth order. Once they start messing with that it gets tricky for them - that’s the same reason I don’t think we’ll see them start stripping Tories beyond HRH’s - once the public see that’s something that can be done they’re in trouble. Imagine the calls Charles would have faced post Diana’s death when he was deeply unpopular. They know they could be next.

The get round of selecting Catherine would be an interesting one in terms of public opinion, but there is at least some precedence of it happening before.

I think Harry's role this week will definitely boost his over seas ratings.

In many TV shots he is directly begin the coffin looking like the chief mourner.he looks very regal with his red hair and he has just had a presence this week!

A shot of him at the funeral of his Granny could be a boost for him, however, if he continues on this path of criticising what his Granny devoted 70 years of her life too then that’s not a good look.

Maybe he will put one of those regal shots on the front of his book!

The RF is not a good look - Harry doesn't need to say anything, Elizabeth's death alone is proof of that. See how many people especially many colonies - and there were 55 + - don't care for the RF. They need to modernise the institution quickly - such a missed opportunity if Charles does not use Harry and Meghan to his advantage.

In 10 years time George, Charlotte etc would be 17,19 and the Sussex's would be like what in the 50s and press would lose even more interest as they are ageists ? In 10 years time also, we might be waving goodbye like to today to Charles as well which will make H&M even less relevant as William will be King. Once George and Charlotte and Louis settle down and start having their own kids, the same thing will happen to them. Just like Princess Margaret's kids and then Prince Harry's kids and then Charlotte's and Louis' kids. But I still feel somehow Archie and Lilibet H&M will be like the Beckhams.

Sorry.But who is Sienna?

Oh is that Beatrice's daughter - sorry got it. Pls ignore.

Sienna is Beatrice's daughter

They CHOSE to leave the Royal Family. There only purpose yesterday was that it was Harrys granny.

Remember they also wanted to "be left alone" and "out of the spotlight".

I am not for or against the Royal Family but Harry and Megan have went to far.

I bet no-one trusts to be left alone with them

Plus it’s much less likely this time as Charles was 2nd in line to the throne when he was 3 so if anything had happened to the queen he’d have been king, whereas George is a few years order and is 3rd so something would have to happen to both Charles and William

They may have moved up the succession, but they burnt their bridges with William and Charles. They do seem to make huge miscalculations - h&m avoided being shitty to the queen, without considering what would happen when she died but now the ones they were shitty about have all the power, and the emphasis on a slimmed down monarchy that keeps being mentioned means they'll be relegated even more (as they requested).

It was clear that the RF definitely see them as outsiders now and aren't going to give them any 'inside info' they can use to profit from.