Feel sorry for Harry walking behind the Queens coffin

[FayeGovan]

It must be very triggering for him, i feel for him.

Her dad worked with TV shows to a. Make money from her and b. Tear her down. And she then gets abuse for not wanting to see him.

In any other non Harry and Meghan situation, nobody would be expecting them to have anything to do with him. He's toxic.

'In any other non Harry and Meghan situation, nobody would be expecting them to have anything to do with him. He's toxic.'

I didn't say Harry had to have anything to do with him. I said he wanted Markle snr to shut up talking to the media then he does the same thing. Why can Harry do it but T.Markle can't?

Her dad worked with TV shows to a. Make money from her and b. Tear her down. And she then gets abuse for not wanting to see him.

What?! He worked as a lighting director in TV since the 70's. Before she was born. You sound insane.

He gave tv shoes interviews about his daughter as did her family. It's not that fucking hard to understand.

*shows

He gave tv shoes interviews about his daughter as did her family. It's not that fucking hard to understand.

No one is finding it difficult to understand. H&M also gave interviews. He wanted to give his side, they wanted to give theirs.

I still don’t understand why Harry didn’t meet TM before the wedding . Before the photos , interviews etc .

As they adored their grandmother, I doubt that neither William nor Harry would have it any other way, even if they had a choice.

Harry did apologise for what he did and said

no, Clarence House issued an apology on his behalf. He never apologised himself. that’s a big difference.
he could have issued a personal response, like he did about Meghan. But chose not to.

Now given the xenophobia against Eastern Europeans

sadly, that is nothing new. It was always there. The Poles were deliberately excluded from the WWII Victory Parade. The Poles who remained here afterwards (because going back was a virtually a death sentence after Yalta) comprised the single biggest immigration to Britain. Yet that is never mentioned, far less celebrated like the Windrush folk.

At the time when that happened +20yrs ago, he was not issuing statements himself. That was done on his behalf by CH. So was the case for W. I believe KP only came out when W got married, then the 2 men and their spouses fell under KP.

Clarence House issued an apology on (Harry's) behalf. He never apologised himself. That’s a big difference

Quite - though of course he's had any number of opportunities to apologise himself since (maybe his marriage to a mixed race woman would have been a suitable time?) and not taken it

So it's hard to know whether he really doesn't think he did anything wrong, or thinks apologising is beneath him

@BadgerB
Titles are not recognised in the US, so it makes no difference at all to Archie and Lilibet as they go about their daily lives. They will not find any option of 'Prince' or 'Princess', Lord this or Lady that on any form they fill in, including Lilibet's American birth cert.

In the UK, despite the lack of a title, they are still the grandchildren of the sovereign, just as Peter and Zara Philips are, and as such, for the purposes of any official or ceremonial duties in the UK - the funeral of Charles, for example - Archie will be part of a procession just as Peter Philips is. Unless they change the way things are done, Lilibet will follow in a car.

mathanxiety · Today 18:11
@BadgerB
Titles are not recognised in the US, so it makes no difference at all to Archie and Lilibet as they go about their daily lives. They will not find any option of 'Prince' or 'Princess', Lord this or Lady that on any form they fill in, including Lilibet's American birth cert.
In the UK, despite the lack of a title, they are still the grandchildren of the sovereign, just as Peter and Zara Philips are, and as such, for the purposes of any official or ceremonial duties in the UK - the funeral of Charles, for example - Archie will be part of a procession just as Peter Philips is. Unless they change the way things are done, Lilibet will follow in a car.

I do know this. They will still be "grandchildren of the King". But if they live in California, and make their lives as part of the celebrity culture, as their parents have, "Prince/Princess" titles will be of value. Which is why their parents want this for their children. However, I don't think HRH will mean much there. Perhaps it means a lot to Harry, given his background.

And your quiet thoughts are based on what? Knowing them? Being around them and speaking to those who know them.

Pray tell what informs your private thoughts when quite frankly how you see them is carefully curated by the British media?

Pray tell also why most of the rest of the world see them differently? Might it be because the world’s media do not have a vested interest in punishing an uppity woman of colour who isn’t deferential enough to the white British institution.

What is worse and makes me angry is how the British Media has reduce Kate to a non-person, whose sole existence is to be “perfect”. How can they be allowed to do that to her. Meghan and Kate are the victims in all this ridiculousness. Meghan the baddie, Kate the goodie.

That poor grown woman always have a gurning smile fixed to her face. Must have no personality other than what’s dictated as “perfect” by the British media. She is completely owned by them.

Women should show solidarity for these two women. They are human beings. Not things owned by the public who must never be anything other than what the media says they should be.

Meghan decided she had options and was not prepared to be a puppet. Good on her. An inspiration to many. No need to put up with abuse for fear of annoying abusers.

Absolutely fine to decide not to be part of it but drop the titles ! If it is not to make money what possible reason is there to use a title which was only bestowed due to marrying a Prince ?

That poor grown woman always have a gurning smile fixed to her face. Must have no personality other than what’s dictated as “perfect” by the British media. She is completely owned by them. It's called being at work. Public servants such as police officers, teachers etc. have a public face and a private face.

There are many who made their fortunes and a name for themselves with fairy tale titles. Fortune and name that exceed that of the Royal Family, so much so that the Royal Family begs favour from them and ask for cash in suitcases.

It’s more about principles and the denial of a birth right. It signals that the Royal Family has a problem with having mixed race people in the family. That’s all it proves.

Th idea that Harry and Meghan should be grateful that they are allowed to even have Prince and Princess shows how tin-eared these people are. It’s the optics and the rejection of people of colour into the family that matters here. Saying they should be grateful for a crumb just proves the racism that’s at the heart of it all.

You mean the evening of the day that Charles became King and William heir to the throne?

I think there was loads to talk about

I just saw your post and wanted to acknowledge it.

I haven’t lived in the UK for decades and I don’t live in a country where we have much of a press. And we certainly don’t have anyone like Piers Morgan. My thoughts aren’t influenced by either of things.

I think you’ll have to find the answers to your questions from someone else because Im off to the cinema now.

Have a nice day.

Why can't H & M drop the Sussex titles?

Because, much as they don’t want to admit it, their royal connections are all they really have. In California, actresses are ten a penny, but royalty isn’t. I can’t imagine living in a mansion there, with top quality security, and 2 kids that will probably be sent to fancy schools comes cheap. If they were making adequate money from acting/speaking gigs they won’t need to mention the RF at all.

Yes, you are right. If they don't like the institution from which their titles emanate, that means that they have no inherent respect for them in and of themselves. That only leaves one motivation for keeping their Sussex titles - to Hollywoodise them (The Rock, "The Duke", "The Duchess").

They all monetise their Royal connections. Do you think Andrew got money through being a good businessman?

The others are still here and still 'work' for us. Your argument is like Obama leaving office, moving to the UK to live but still going around calling himself President of the USA. It's farcical (and, at the very least, a huge embarrassment to the good people of Sussex).