Feel sorry for Harry walking behind the Queens coffin

[FayeGovan]

It must be very triggering for him, i feel for him.

I'm not giving Philip a free pass. He was racist, but he did not preach that everyone else was racist and evil as a result that's the difference.

Harry was exposed to a racist grandfather. But you don’t think this is ‘context’ for why he may have displayed racist behaviour?

That would be a typical PH response tbh - 'it's not my fault it's my parents/grandparents'. 'Everyone else made me do it'. Where have we heard that before? Zero accountability for his actions and a case of group amnesia from a lot of posters on here.

I believe Harry has changed due to his actions I wrote above. You can choose to believe he hasn’t if you wish, the fact remains Philip had every opportunity to listen, learn and change and he didn’t. There’s no excuses. If you’ve been racist, made comments, wore inappropriate things, you learn and change. If you don’t, I have no time for you. That’s why I hated Philip. I don’t hate Harry because I think he has changed but I would like him a lot more if he addressed past actions.

What actions?

That’s not what I’m saying though. Read my posts. Zero tolerance here. I’ve no idea what Harry would say, I don’t know him. I like him now, I think he’s shown he’s not racist now. But as I said, I’d have more respect for him if he addressed his past actions and apologised.

The fact we hear him speaking out against racism now, has married a black woman and isn’t saying racist shit. If he apologised on top for past actions, that would be great!

It's not about believing that he hasn't. It's acknowledging that marrying Meghan does not prove any change. Many POC have written that similarly to MO not wearing her hair in its natural state as FLOTUS, MM similarly presents an 'acceptable' image of blackness. She even wrote on headshots that she could be classified as caucasian. If you've seen Kenya Barris' Blackish covers this issue in an accessible way

No but he’s spoken out against it too. He’s even called out his own family over it. He should apologise for past actions though for sure.

Anyway, bed time for me.

Bedtime for me as well, but I think he can't call others out, without right to reply, if he's not going to call his past behaviour out at the same time. They both draw a veil over it and that's weird and hypocritical.

@RandomPenguinHouse

Wow of all the comments on here ,some of which expose pysce with not one ounce of human compassion or even understandings and you have called out my question about how they devide up Diana's jewellery about stirring a pot!

I even started my own thread in case it got lost and someone knew how it works 🙄.

But you don't think directly attacking Megan a d Harry is stirring any pot?

Harry did apologise for what he did and said.

Put out statements and went on courses. Maybe he will go back to these events that happened 20yrs ago in his book, who knows. I most definitely remember him saying to some people that he is learning every day.

I never heard any apologies from Philip. I found it weird he could say the things he did when he was travelling all over meeting freedom fighters and so on.

I also never heard anything from William regarding "don't worry, we won't be eating crocodile or anything" regarding his African theme party. And he was described as wearing a Zulu outfit with straw skirt etc. Didn't he recently tell africans to stop breeding for environment sake, while expecting a 3rd child. Plus then did it again recently (was dragged all over SM). No apologies.

Racism is not just political it's a human rights issue. I was never happy with HMQ staying out of it. To keep quiet is to allow it. She had the gravitas to make a change.
There was one young lady (23 now) who wrote to the queen when she was around 14, saying how concerned she was about racism. The girl recalls it as : "I will never forget the time I wrote to the queen about racism and she said 'not my problem'. Actually HMQ wrote back saying she must contact government. What is the point in her if she cannot use her status to fight human rights.

Piers Morgan constantly shouting that H&M talking about their experience is bashing the family and queen, has given those who hate them a beating stick. And they are holding on to it for dear life.

H&M were criticising the firm, rather than the family. And pointing out what effect it all has on the members. And how all this affected them (H&M).

This is what they said about HMQ
twitter.com/PaganTrelawney/status/1569658288198885377

Pippen I'd like to see your defense of how Harry was raised?
Do you think he was given the perfect childhood?
How do you think his mother's issue's affected him, his dad's affairs, the TV interviews from both, did you remember how they felt being shuttled to each parent?
The press intrusion?
Dianna expressing concern over Harry being no 2, even when she was alive she said he didn't get the same palace attention?
Do you think this was a secure childhood?
How do you think the royals handled Harry after his mum's death?.do you think the 12 year old walking behind the coffin was a good Idea?
What about Charles critising his up bringing and parents?

How do you think Harry coped with all the aftermath of his mothers deaths?
Do you think they fawned over William more and bent to his wishes because he is a bjgger fish to loose?
William had famously had a difficult relationship with his father but being the direct heir with lots of concessions maybe he has been more "appeased"?
It's well known that William had hugely benefited from Kates tight family, a mother and a father still married.
Do you think that's also been a huge benefit to William whereas Harry has been out in the cold?

Off topic but has anyone else read the media reports that Archie and Lilibet are not to be accorded HRH ? Not just the DM before anyone jumps in .
Apparently H and M are furious . They will however use Prince and Princess .
Personally I think it is a big mistake to use the titles given Meghan’s own comments about not caring about the “ grandeur” of titles .
Also , living in America makes the titles meaningless . Unless it is to make money .It certainly won’t give them the level of security that want.
No , I don’t know if the above is true but no doubt we will soon hear more.

And posters bleating on about handholding.

Even Charles and Camilla were holding hands at her brother's funeral.

Reading, yes.

I think it's a big mistake not to treat them equally,offer and let them turn down as they wish but they should be offered what is usually offered as is the birth right of those children.
I think Charles is known for being naval gazing and this is where he needs good counsel to treat Harry equally and not second best.

I do think it’s unfair to constantly talk about Harry walking behind Diana’s coffin . Yes he was a few days off age 13 however William was only 15 . He was much taller so I think the expectations were greater on him .
Charles Spencer talked much later and insisted that that neither boy was told to walk .
Harry was clearly shielded by the Palace as he grew up . His behaviour since they stopped acting for him has been questionable to say the least .
I don’t think either W or H had the loving family childhood that we would want for our children but they are both men with families now and need to deal with it .
On a much smaller scale I had a family tragedy when I was a teenager and there were articles in the press . It was awful but you either sink or swim .

Oh come on , you cannot compare a private family funeral to a State occasion .

A load of nonsense. Philip was not a racist. You judge a man by his actions and in no way did his actions suggest he was a racist. He might of said a few things which were not politically correct in our uptight age but that does not mean he was a racist.

A load of nonsense. Philip was not a racist. You judge a man by his actions and in no way did his actions suggest he was a racist. He might of said a few things which were not politically correct in our uptight age but that does not mean he was a racist.

What possible advantage would it be to Archie and Lilbet living in America and estranged from the Royal Family ?
Surely H and M would be better to continue to shield their DC ( which I admire them for doing) and not lumber them with titles .

I thought that H&M no longer use their HRH titles-if that's the case why would their kids be offered them?

Just so that they can say no thanks??

A load of nonsense. Philip was not a racist. You judge a man by his actions and in no way did his actions suggest he was a racist. He might of said a few things which were not politically correct in our uptight age but that does not mean he was a racist.

This. He was a brave and dutiful man who fought actual facism and saved many lives. Only those with an agenda or who struggle with critical thinking unless it promotes their own belief system think otherwise.

Perhaps apply that same critical thinking to Harry name calling in the army, just like everyone else. The guy said he did not mind. He knew everyone was called derogatory name and it was 'banter' that was not supposed to make it out of the inner circle. Harry most likely would have also been called a name.

Or for a costume (just like William). He took it in the literal sense of 'natives and colonials' - so did William it seems. But pictures speak louder than words.

He apologised. Learnt from his mistakes. He has been working with African charities for years.

I watched an interview with Harry where he spoke about having to walk behind Diana's coffin and struggled so much with having to placate the grieving nation when it was his mother, not theirs.

Has anyone who detests Meghan watched any of the interviews Harry has done - I personally hadn't - but he hated the media and how they treated her from the outset. He referred to articles which suggested she had "exotic DNA". What else could that possibly mean.