Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

*leave Harry with trusted family and aids. That should read trusted friends (Freudian typo) but maybe Eugenie and Beatrix can also support Harry, they must all feel somewhat more remote to the crown now.

This is a situation of their own making, and they don’t learn from their mistakes - they keep doing it.

So no, I don’t feel sorry for them. They’ve made their bed and burnt their bridges and now they have to deal with the consequences of that.

I shouldn’t think it’ll be long before he divorces her anyway if he has any sense.

I'm no Royalist, just a gossip but I find it odd that it keeps being reported everywhere that they had no plans to visit the queen on this visit, I feel they must have known she was unwell? And I do feel for Harry, why didn't he get to go on the earlier plane that William and Charles etc got on so he would have been there for her death? Sad to lose your granny!

They weren’t there for her death either.

Only Charles and Anne were - they were both already in Scotland.

Harry burnt his bridges and now he lives with the consequences of that. If you slag off members of your own family and publicly lie about them then of course you won’t be welcome to travel with them.

I feel sorry for him. I'm estranged from my own (immediate) family and times like a bereavement in the family are very very hard to manage. It can be a very very lonely thing, as evidenced by the images of him travelling alone. I can totally understand why he would have wanted her with him for that, it can feel very vulnerable to be at that kind of occasion as an 'outsider', especially for the first time. He loved his grandmother but he also knows that the estrangement caused her pain and he barely saw her in he final years. I empathise greatly with him on that, as it reflects what happened in my family.

That said, I haven't been on podcasts and interviews and all that criticising my family when they are not able or willing to come to their own defence. And my family aren't public figures, so there would be no wider impact even if I did do that. I think Harry has behaved with really poor judgement and he will live to regret that, he's been very badly advised and I personally do thing that a lot of that advising has come from Meghan. It's all been very immature actually and that has been highlighted by the stoic silence shown by the other royals.

nope, can’t summon up any sympathy for her.

its the family who loved and supported HMQ that I feel sorry

H&M are the architects of their own misfortune. They have only themselves to blame.

I don’t feel sorry for them either. They behave in an arrogant, entitled, self absorbed, selfish manner. Their whole existence now is trading on their titles and connections and selling stories on the royal family. Slagging them off and dishing the dirt for cold hard cash. It’s trashy and grabby. Hopefully at some point they will have said every shitty thing there is to say and they shut up and go away.

I don’t think it was a big deal that Meghan didn’t travel to Balmoral, Kate didn’t either.
I imagine, and hope, that she will want to stay in the U.K. to support her husband over the death of his Grandmother.
She's not obliged to do any public appearances.

First, I wouldn’t trust anything the media say about private conversations and rumours.

Second, the death of the Queen is a royal, constitutional event as well as a private/family one. Protocol is adhered to, the Queen’s own preferences would doubtless have been made clear in advance and it could well be that Charles is following the wishes of his later mother and father, not his own preference.

Third, Harry and Meghan no longer have their formal public roles in the RF. I doubt you will see Prince Andrew making a big showy presence either. They can doubtless pay their respects in a private capacity. If there is a difference of opinion again between them and the RF what that should look like, then the RF should rightly get the final say. H&M voted themselves out, I don’t feel very sorry for them as they are perfectly successful in the life they have chosen for themselves.

And if the plane went down? I don't think they ever fly together. Heir and spare and all that.

what about all the other GC? It’s just as sad for them. Harry isn’t more special than them.

Charles was already in Scotland. He and Anne were with their mother when she died - Edward and Andrew were not.

I'm another one who thinks they'll divorce. I don't particularly feel strongly about them either way to be honest, but in press photos, Harry has the look of a family member of mine who was a bit enamoured with someone and then realised he was losing everything, the bubble burst and he came back to the family (it wasn't a gf or wife in his case)

The hatred towards her is because she

• married someone
• moved with her husband to her homeland
• dumped her narcissistic dad
• called out her in-laws (like her MIL did)
• earns her own money
• successfully sued the DM
• is black

Absolutely this. They have shown nothing but disrespect for the Queen and monarchy in general.

it can feel very vulnerable to be at that kind of occasion as an 'outsider', especially for the first time

it wasn’t the first time. Have you forgotten about the death of Prince Philip?

Heir and spare

Harry isn’t the spare anymore and hasn’t been since George was born.

It was probably not envisaged that Hand M would be in the U.K.. That is just a co incidence and only Charles and Anne were there. William was dropping his kids off at school in Windsor that morning. I imagine who goes etc is tightly controlled as otherwise you could have Zara and Peter, the York sisters and edwards kids too and it is probably too much to ferry them all up there. If she was in Windsor or buck palace maybe different protocols in place but balmoral is the other end of this island!

Frankly I think it's ridiculous that certain media outlets (I'm looking at you daily mail) are making the queen's death all about Diana, Megan and Kate.

I also don't think Harry and Megan are any worse than Charles was at a similar age TBH. Remember when he wrote a book slagging off the Queen saying she was a shit mum. And then there was the recordings of him with Camila about wanting to be her tampon

Im glad it's the Queen overshadowing their tour, now rather than them doing the overshadowing!

Harry and Meghan will now really need to think about their plan as continually calling the RF isn't going to sit well at the moment. So it's going to be interesting what they will then talk about! I would like them to do well in their humanitarian causes, they both seem passionate about them. But they can both achieve great things without the back stabbing and moaning about how tough and restrictive being in an constitutional 'firm' was. Especially when the RF have no power to change this constitution.

I think it would have been very awkward if she'd been there. My instinct is thatvthe royal family want to limit meghans opportunities to have interactions to later share with the world. She's the spouse of a grandchild, Sophie and Camilla are daughters in law and have known the Queen a long time. Kate staying away effectively made it impossible for Meghan to go. I don't think Meghan is keen on Harry spending time alone with his family which explains the delay

Charles wasn’t on the plane. None of the royals on the plane were there for the Queen’s death. They arrived too late. Only Anne and Charles, both already in Scotland, were there.

I can’t feel sorry for them. Surely, they must know how the public feel and someone must have told them how badly they are both coming across. Surely, anyone in that position would shut up or do things differently to try and change perspective BUT, they keep going. They just do not stop.

I'm another who wouldn't be surprised if they divorced in the next year or 2.

I thought it was interesting that Harry wasn't on the jet with William and co. Or was he?

It's difficult because the Royal family is a family and an institution and, in a way, a business. There is so much to unpick.

I think Charles wants to heal the rift, but it will be hard to reconcile between Harry and William. I think that is where the real rift is and I don't think William will ever forgive them for what Meghan said about Kate during the OW interview.

It's possible that Charles won't reign for a long time.

I don't feel sorry for them because they understood what would happen when they spoke out and I do admire them for speaking up about the problems with the Royal Family, but they knew there would be consequences for doing so.

It wasn't a party it was the Queens dying breaths. I think when I'm of my deathbed I might just want my children there if I have 4 of them.