Harry’s legal proceedings against Home Office

[SnottyLottie]

Part of Harry’s claim will remain private. The judge has granted that some documentation can be withheld or redacted due to security reasons (seems sensible to me).

But today the judge has berated Harry’s legal team for breaching the court rules when a copy of the rulings were emailed to someone who’s wasn’t a lawyer. Lawyer Shaheed Fatima WC was also berated for coming into court without an apology for the “clear breach” of court rules.

news.sky.com/story/prince-harrys-lawyer-criticised-as-parts-of-police-protection-claim-against-home-office-to-be-kept-secret-12574161

gringrin seriously? If you don’t know, you’ll never know. The evidence is plentiful but if you don’t want to acknowledge it, you won’t and it’s certainly no one’s job to educate or inform you. In any case, worth asking that of your tax funded royals. Continue feasting on British right wing media to shape your understanding of the world and of people and you’ll continue to never know and be merely “interested” in knowing. So nothing then

There has been lots linked on here, screenshots of all that they are doing and done... time and time again. It's just that some posters like to ignore it and just say the same old tripe endlessly.

Perhaps come on over to the new PA thread... the one where that taxpayer funded royal and his ex and daughter trousered over a million squid, court case ongoing. Oh and he who is posting on his ex's IG account calling himself HRH despite his mother telling him not to!
That's what you should be worried about.
Not someone you don't pay for and who is living their life.

It's funny innit... the most vociferous of critics on here are nowhere to be seen on threads about the Royals they actually pay for - a bit too close to home for ardent royalists I suspect.

@Roussette

There has been lots linked on here, screenshots of all that they are doing and done... time and time again. It's just that some posters like to ignore it and just say the same old tripe endlessly.

Perhaps come on over to the new PA thread... the one where that taxpayer funded royal and his ex and daughter trousered over a million squid, court case ongoing. Oh and he who is posting on his ex's IG account calling himself HRH despite his mother telling him not to!
That's what you should be worried about.
Not someone you don't pay for and who is living their life.

It's funny innit... the most vociferous of critics on here are nowhere to be seen on threads about the Royals they actually pay for - a bit too close to home for ardent royalists I suspect.

Andrew and Fergie get worse and worse. I can scarcely believe what I'm reading but... H&M are no longer part of the Royal Firm. I can't think of anything substantial they have done apart from the Invictus Games. Nothing with a lasting legacy.

Well, this is a Harry thread, so yes I think talking about Andrew here would be a bit of a diversion. I mean, possibly relevant, but generally tangential.

But it'll be an unspecified length of wait until we find out if permission for JR is granted, and then goodness only knows how long that'll last. So Other Stuff is bound to creep in

But Derxa there's been a pandemic, and you expect a 'legacy' after leaving UK, two babies and two years!
DofE, Princes Trust are over 50 years old!

You say yourself..they are not part of the royal firm, why then are they troubling you so much?

P.s
I know your views on the Yorks don't differ much from mine!

@Roussette

But Derxa there's been a pandemic, and you expect a 'legacy' after leaving UK, two babies and two years! DofE, Princes Trust are over 50 years old!

You say yourself..they are not part of the royal firm, why then are they troubling you so much?

They don't trouble me. It would be nice to see them concentrate on one issue and give it their all.

In my opinion the reason most people don’t comment on Andrew threads is because the vast majority of people agree that he is a disgrace so there is little to debate . The IG post was totally tone deaf ( although I think it has now been deleted) and I think signing it HRH was a sign of his arrogance .
H and M are divisive . Most people I know are no longer particularly interested in them and treat them almost as a joke . If it wasn’t for the fact that they persist on trading off their titles I wouldn’t give a jot about what they do . If they are happy great .

I don't read the right wing tabloid press. I read the Guardian/Times/Telegraph. I read Harry and Meghan's posts on the Sussex Royal site. I watched and listened to their interviews. Read the statements they made. I read Finding Freedom.
I liked Meghan. I liked Harry. I was proud of the welcome she got, proud that Charles met her in the aisle. I was happy that they seemed so happy.
I was pretty shocked at their "the Queen doesn't own the word Royal" statement. I found it petulant and almost childlike/teenagery in it's resentfulness. And then I started to see them differently.
Finding Freedom was an eye opener. The repeated references to Meghan and Hollywood eg Harry's Hollywood wife, were a bit of a stretch. The Oprah interview? The passport and keys being taken so she couldn't travel? I just didn't believe it.
The racism was unacceptable, and yes the Royal Family should have stepped in. The rest of the bad press was on a par to what the rest of the Royal women have been subjected to. Pretty crap but anyone with half a brain cell realises those stories are fabricated and won't give them any thought.
Unfortunately when people say several things that are clearly untrue, publicly, their credibility wanes. And I don't think the British public are spewing hatred at Harry and Meghan. I have a strong aversion to disloyalty and a low tolerance of bullshit. I don't think I'm that unusual in Britain.
I am not much of a Royalist but can see the work the Queen has put in over the years, and I feel they should have behaved like mature adults in their dealings with her. I suspect they won't realise this until it's too late, which will be really rather sad all round.

@tattychicken

I don't read the right wing tabloid press. I read the Guardian/Times/Telegraph. I read Harry and Meghan's posts on the Sussex Royal site. I watched and listened to their interviews. Read the statements they made. I read Finding Freedom. I liked Meghan. I liked Harry. I was proud of the welcome she got, proud that Charles met her in the aisle. I was happy that they seemed so happy. I was pretty shocked at their "the Queen doesn't own the word Royal" statement. I found it petulant and almost childlike/teenagery in it's resentfulness. And then I started to see them differently. Finding Freedom was an eye opener. The repeated references to Meghan and Hollywood eg Harry's Hollywood wife, were a bit of a stretch. The Oprah interview? The passport and keys being taken so she couldn't travel? I just didn't believe it. The racism was unacceptable, and yes the Royal Family should have stepped in. The rest of the bad press was on a par to what the rest of the Royal women have been subjected to. Pretty crap but anyone with half a brain cell realises those stories are fabricated and won't give them any thought. Unfortunately when people say several things that are clearly untrue, publicly, their credibility wanes. And I don't think the British public are spewing hatred at Harry and Meghan. I have a strong aversion to disloyalty and a low tolerance of bullshit. I don't think I'm that unusual in Britain. I am not much of a Royalist but can see the work the Queen has put in over the years, and I feel they should have behaved like mature adults in their dealings with her. I suspect they won't realise this until it's too late, which will be really rather sad all round.

Very well put. Agree with all of it.

Very well said @tattychicken .Spot on

I thought it was pretty amazing they managed to spin “having servants that look after your travel arrangements and documents for you” into an example of how oppressed they are 🤣

Interesting post tatty. Some I agree with, some I don't.

I think the racism was deep, creeping and nasty. I think the RF could've done far far more than they did. There's no point me linking it again but it is shown again and again how quick they were to put out statements in K's defence and not the case for MM.

I also think their relationship with the Queen is far stronger than some imagine on here. Just my opinion of course.

I know that most, not all, are agreed on the Yorks chilled it's just that there is such outrage about M&H on everything. Take titles for instance...there's PA using HRH yesterday when specifically told not to by the Queen ..and it's just dismissed as arrogance. H doesn't use HRH and hasn't done since told, yet the fact they use Duke/Duchess generates countless posts and threads!
And I'm the only one who talks of SF using Duchess for 30 years! The Yorks are lucky, there is just total acceptance they'are awful!
I just find it weird that some posters total anger is saved for this couple, and not the Yorks who are swanning around in "this* country on a massive paid for royal estate.

Even when H&M aren't doing or saying anything, some are just patiently waiting for something so they can criticise them endlessly and those same people don't look at anything our RF are doing. It's just dismissed or accepted
Bottom line is...I don't get it

Your earlier posts IIRC, referred to one incident, where a firm which was using veiled reference to KM in advertising was told to cease as she did not use those products. That was then (mis)reported in the tabloids as 'leaping to K's defence'

Strongly agree that the Duke should not use the HRH. Remember when the Duchess did on camera in a documentary and was rightly slated for it? Bit different as she was stripped of it on divorce. But that's the only time I can think of when someone who no longer uses, has done. H&M haven't, have they?

They all still use the Dukedom. It does seem add when you have voluntarily left both the role and the country to keep the titles, and that is what seems incongruous. There hasn't been anyone in simiiar circumstances, except Duke of Windsor (who got his as step down from King), and yes there were some who thought he should have no title at all, but as he kept his HRH (wife never had it) there wasn't really a way ahead without a Royal dukedom

As far as Duchess of York... she loves her Duchess title hence the 50 or so books she has written using it!..... Let's not forget the titles "Dining with the Duchess" and "Dieting with the Duchess" or even "Reinventing Yourself with the Duchess of York"😂

I'd love to see the fury if Meghan tried similar, MN would implode! And she's not divorced from a member of the RF!

It does seem add when you have voluntarily left both the role and the country to keep the titles, and that is what seems incongruous

Not as incongruous as divorcing 30 years ago....

@Roussette

As far as Duchess of York... she loves her Duchess title hence the 50 or so books she has written using it!..... Let's not forget the titles "Dining with the Duchess" and "Dieting with the Duchess" or even "Reinventing Yourself with the Duchess of York"😂

I'd love to see the fury if Meghan tried similar, MN would implode! And she's not divorced from a member of the RF!

She has published a book, and used the title.

Some MNetters didn't like it, just as some don't think Fergie should have continued, even though decisions at the time of her divorce settlement meant she could keep it until remarriage.

You can see the 'fury' against both if you use Advanced Search

Roussette

“As far as Duchess of York... she loves her Duchess title hence the 50 or so books she has written using it!..... Let's not forget the titles "Dining with the Duchess" and "Dieting with the Duchess" or even "Reinventing Yourself with the Duchess of York"😂

I'd love to see the fury if Meghan tried similar, MN would implode! And she's not divorced from a member of the RF “

I don’t know why you get so aerated about SF . I never see anyone disagreeing with you ! Most people agree that she is milking the title and her connections but as far as I am aware ( I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong ) she has only ever done one critical interview regarding the RF plus she never wanted to leave , she was forced .
The difference with H and M ( in my opinion) is that they didn’t get their own way - half in, half out- so stomped off . Rather than use their skills (?) they have criticised the RF , made various accusations and sly digs YET cling on to their titles !
I 100% agree that Andrew is a disgrace etc etc but I get a bit wearied that every time someone makes a negative comment about H and/ or M , someone jumps in saying yes but what about Andrew ?

She has published a book, and used the title

I know that. ONE book. A childrens book. With her title on it.

Little bit different to 50+ plus and with titles such as I said isn'it it?

Chilled I find SF's behaviour far more abhorrent... she has to be careful what she says about the RF now, we bankroll her. However, she wrote a book about how awful the institution was.

I'll keep saying what about Andrew. For all the reasons I outlined in my first post this morning.

H&M don't 'cling on' to their titles. That is so unfair. It would take an Act of Parliament to remove Duke titles.

The difference is that the Yorks are pretty unifying figures in that everyone agrees they're disgraceful - so there's not really much to talk about, other than memes about Prince Andrew's sweat glands.

H&M are divisive though, which is why there is more to debate about. They don't sit in their mansion quietly avoiding controversy, it's silly to suggest they do - they are always putting out political statements about something or other, they lobby US elected officials, they spread gossip about their family, they start legal fights with everyone. They are not shy, retiring characters. Anyone who did even one of those things would expect blowback. Besides, if people stopped openly disagreeing with them they'd run out of people to sue and how would they feed their chickens?

@ Roussette

“H&M don't 'cling on' to their titles. That is so unfair. It would take an Act of Parliament to remove Duke titles.”

I don’t think it is unfair ! They could simply stop using the titles but choose not too . Duchess of Kent comes to mind .

Another difference is that the Andrew thread is here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_royal_family/4519070-Andrew-The-Abbey-Fergie-and-The-Fraudster

and of course people are going to talk mainly about the Duke of Sussex on the Harry thread

@ tigger2022

Great post !

Excellent post @tattychicken and exactly my position as well.

@tattychicken

Great post and sums up my feelings too