Harry’s legal proceedings against Home Office

[SnottyLottie]

Part of Harry’s claim will remain private. The judge has granted that some documentation can be withheld or redacted due to security reasons (seems sensible to me).

But today the judge has berated Harry’s legal team for breaching the court rules when a copy of the rulings were emailed to someone who’s wasn’t a lawyer. Lawyer Shaheed Fatima WC was also berated for coming into court without an apology for the “clear breach” of court rules.

news.sky.com/story/prince-harrys-lawyer-criticised-as-parts-of-police-protection-claim-against-home-office-to-be-kept-secret-12574161

Gosh if it's that bad then Harry must stay away from the UK for the rest of his life

And let them win? That is up to RAVEC to decide.

Neo Nazi's are International, they are not local, if PH is a target, he will be a target anywhere on the globe.
The neo nazis have different branches all over the world with their own agendas according to their country. They support each other. You will notice that the European ones concentrate on Muslims, KKK on blacks and other US minorities etc. I'm not too sure the US ones are fixated on the RF, whereas the UK ones will be. I have not heard about US ones making threats on the RF members (more specifically H&M ofcourse).
The 4 who were arrested were not 'keyboard warriors'. MNers like to minimise the whole thing, 2 of them were sons of the leaders and others long standing members. This was proper targeting
I have not head any threats from the US, but then again, their security can deal with real and present danger.

I wonder if they would have gone ahead with leaving the Royal family if they had known they would have no ppo security right from the start. I guess once they'd put their plan to leave out in public, it was then very hard to walk it back but it must be a huge burden on them to know they have to fund this enormously expensive security for the rest of their lives and maybe their children's lives.
If more of the initial discussions had taken place behind closed doors, I think they would have come up with a different plan, maybe taken a couple of years off to have their babies but still lived in the UK and kept their protection. Then possibly have come back to royal duties with a fresh start.

BackToWhereItAllBegan

“I wonder if they would have gone ahead with leaving the Royal family if they had known they would have no ppo security right from the start. I guess once they'd put their plan to leave out in public, it was then very hard to walk it back but it must be a huge burden on them to know they have to fund this enormously expensive security for the rest of their lives and maybe their children's lives.
If more of the initial discussions had taken place behind closed doors, I think they would have come up with a different plan, maybe taken a couple of years off to have their babies but still lived in the UK and kept their protection. Then possibly have come back to royal duties with a fresh start.”

I think this is a good point . H and M’s original announcement assumed they would be protected 24/7 all over the world .
If I remember correctly it was suggested they move to a quiet house in Wales (?) to take some time out . Africa was also mentioned . Indeed H used to say that was where he was happiest .
Such a shame they jumped in before matters could be decided more amicably.

Harry is almost a nobody now. And I expect he doesn't like it. Not that its just him. Andrew too is determined still to take his place among royalty at the big occasions. And Harry needs content for his future publicity book deals and so on.That is what all this fuss is about nothing else.

@Chilledchablis1

BackToWhereItAllBegan

“I wonder if they would have gone ahead with leaving the Royal family if they had known they would have no ppo security right from the start. I guess once they'd put their plan to leave out in public, it was then very hard to walk it back but it must be a huge burden on them to know they have to fund this enormously expensive security for the rest of their lives and maybe their children's lives.
If more of the initial discussions had taken place behind closed doors, I think they would have come up with a different plan, maybe taken a couple of years off to have their babies but still lived in the UK and kept their protection. Then possibly have come back to royal duties with a fresh start.”

I think this is a good point . H and M’s original announcement assumed they would be protected 24/7 all over the world .
If I remember correctly it was suggested they move to a quiet house in Wales (?) to take some time out . Africa was also mentioned . Indeed H used to say that was where he was happiest .
Such a shame they jumped in before matters could be decided more amicably.

Shame that Jason Knauf and others in the Kensington Palace staff leaked the story Harry and Meghan were thinking of leaving. Because of this deliberately leaked information, they had to announce before plans had been settled.

@Viviennemary

Harry is almost a nobody now. And I expect he doesn't like it. Not that its just him. Andrew too is determined still to take his place among royalty at the big occasions. And Harry needs content for his future publicity book deals and so on.That is what all this fuss is about nothing else.

Agree

@BackToWhereItAllBegan

I wonder if they would have gone ahead with leaving the Royal family if they had known they would have no ppo security right from the start. I guess once they'd put their plan to leave out in public, it was then very hard to walk it back but it must be a huge burden on them to know they have to fund this enormously expensive security for the rest of their lives and maybe their children's lives. If more of the initial discussions had taken place behind closed doors, I think they would have come up with a different plan, maybe taken a couple of years off to have their babies but still lived in the UK and kept their protection. Then possibly have come back to royal duties with a fresh start.

Meghan didn’t want to be told what she could and couldn’t do. She didn’t want to be part of a team effort. It was never going to work.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Not so long ago the Dutch government allowed a neo nazi group have an official and legal demonstration outside the Israeli Embassy

I hadn't heard that, but am not surprised. The Netherlands has got extreme liberalism like a disease, and while it can be admirable in some ways, it's also turned parts of that lovely country into a sewer

A few years ago a Dutch woman quoted her Dutch father as saying, "If it's forbidden in the Bible, it's compulsory in Holland."

@Peaseblossum22 well said people always ignore this and make out like he would of been treated like me or you walking off a plane

Meghan didn’t want to be told what she could and couldn’t do. She didn’t want to be part of a team effort. It was never going to work.

And who gave you this little nugget of information? Lady C, Murky or some other gutter feeder.

MNers like to minimise the whole thing. And you just keep banging on about these Neo-Nazis who have already been dealt with and who had threatened many people besides Harry. No one is saying it wasn’t unpleasant and no one should have to be subjected to these threats, but they were not in any imminent danger. And judging by this report, they were indeed keyboard warriors and they did not limit their activities to the UK, linking to websites in other countries including the USA.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/neo-nazi-trial-terror-prince-harry-michal-szewczuk-oskar-dunn-koczorowski-a8963396.html

@notanotheroneagain

Meghan didn’t want to be told what she could and couldn’t do. She didn’t want to be part of a team effort. It was never going to work.

And who gave you this little nugget of information? Lady C, Murky or some other gutter feeder.

From watching and listening to her.

It must be hard staring at evidence and convincing yourself otherwise.

If Harry was in the UK he would be a nobody, cutting ribbons and a punchbag for the UK tabloids. From what I can see he and Meghan are doing just fine financially and otherwise.

What I would like to know and hear discussed is what those who use my tax do for me and others like me. Apparently it’s all about what they wear and how busy they are doing nothing of any importance or impact. Then off they go to other parts of the world causing embarrassment to themselves and making Britain look out of touch with modern realities.

My tax isn’t funding Harry and his family. The rest of the world do not view this issue the same way as Britain does. Britain just looks weird hounding a mixed race woman for no reason other than she has the temerity to exist and have a mind of her own.

Britain hates Harry and Meghan so much that they simply cannot stop obsessing over what they do and don’t do. They care more about them than the ones who they fund through their hard earn wages.

It’s all too embarrassing to see Britain shame itself with its racism and downright stupidity over Harry and Meghan. Move on.

You have William and Kate. Celebrate. Thank God you don’t have Harry and Meghan and move on. The majority of the rest of the world are happy for the opposite. This dressing up nonsense called royalty belongs in fairly tales.

I'd like to repeat a point made earlier.

I'm intensely relaxed about the prospect that they might never visit again.

(It's wrong to suggest that 'Britain' is hounding them, as if there were some big unified plot)

@WinnieTheW0rm

I'd like to repeat a point made earlier.

I'm intensely relaxed about the prospect that they might never visit again.

(It's wrong to suggest that 'Britain' is hounding them, as if there were some big unified plot)

Continue kidding yourself. Britain has embarrassed itself.

Also Harry and Meghan are clearly not in any desperate need to return to this island. So if you don’t care, then there is nothing to worry about. They are choosing to stay away and will decide on their own terms when they want to visit.

Britain has made itself look like a small-minded racist country and that will take years to reverse. How can a country that has done so much in terms of race relation manage to shame itself on an international level like that? For some bizarre reason Britain thought the rest of the world would be blind to the extreme and inexplicable behaviour towards a mixed race woman. Completely hysterical over a mixed race woman. The world is watching.

The bottom feeders of the Internet really don't speak for 'Britain'

I don't think given sensible precautions H&M and family are in grave danger. & to say bringing children over to stay with a bedroom they are not used to - many many people do this. DBIL did to stay with DPILs ( security aside - more the children staying somewhere they are not used to ) & they are rich enough to bring a nanny or do they really think that if they stayed at KP with W&C's children their children would be in danger.

Well if they are so scared - then they must stay away - but I am not sure this visit would be insurmountable.

@WinnieTheW0rm

The bottom feeders of the Internet really don't speak for 'Britain'

Exactly

And you keep banging on about how minor it is, when you know they are the children of the leaders - as in, that is their raison d'être, not a little hobby on the side. They are nutters, can easily say, an eye of an eye, a child for a child.

You are minimising them, while in the same breath you are linking them to international terrorists who have massacred 77 people. Even in your article, the judge recognises how dangerous they are. Don't see how 'keyboard warriors' can be sentenced up to 10ys in jail and it looks like these guys got something equivalent to a rapist sentence.

Don't see what the big deal is here, he came to the funeral, and it's not like he missed this service to go skiing.

@notanotheroneagain

And you keep banging on about how minor it is, when you know they are the children of the leaders - as in, that is their raison d'être, not a little hobby on the side. They are nutters, can easily say, an eye of an eye, a child for a child. You are minimising them, while in the same breath you are linking them to international terrorists who have massacred 77 people. Even in your article, the judge recognises how dangerous they are. Don't see how 'keyboard warriors' can be sentenced up to 10ys in jail and it looks like these guys got something equivalent to a rapist sentence.

Don't see what the big deal is here, he came to the funeral, and it's not like he missed this service to go skiing.

Your post is completely unintelligible.

Learn some comprehension skills then.

I have sympathy for them in wanting to live their lives in their own way. I somewhat have sympathy for them on the security front. But. The whole ‘he was born into this and has no choice about being a target’ thing. Well yes. But that’s life. We’re born into situations that we have to make the best of. Many millions of people are born into poverty and don’t get handed millions automatically to relieve that because if it being unfair. Some are born into war torn countries where other countries do nothing to help while people live in fear and violence.

So - Harry was born into a life of luxury but also scrutiny and expectations. He didn’t like that so has chosen halfway through his life to do it differently. That’s ok, but, the downside is the security apparently. In the scheme of things, the things he was born into aren’t that bad. At least he has choices, some people are born into lives with almost, or zero choice.

Meanwhile he has the means to hire top level legal teams to fight his cause to have or buy police security while you only need to look at another thread running here to see that that same police force is not coming to help most normal people any time soon.

And on the racism thing, there are horrible racist people all over the world. On two recent trips to the US I have been asked by American people, apropos of nothing, what I think about Harry and Meghan (once they realize I’m from the UK) and both times it was to share not thinly veiled racist rhetoric about Meghan.

@notanotheroneagain

And you keep banging on about how minor it is, when you know they are the children of the leaders - as in, that is their raison d'être, not a little hobby on the side. They are nutters, can easily say, an eye of an eye, a child for a child. You are minimising them, while in the same breath you are linking them to international terrorists who have massacred 77 people. Even in your article, the judge recognises how dangerous they are. Don't see how 'keyboard warriors' can be sentenced up to 10ys in jail and it looks like these guys got something equivalent to a rapist sentence.

Don't see what the big deal is here, he came to the funeral, and it's not like he missed this service to go skiing.

That Fox News article is awful. And, American.