Harry’s legal proceedings against Home Office

[SnottyLottie]

Part of Harry’s claim will remain private. The judge has granted that some documentation can be withheld or redacted due to security reasons (seems sensible to me).

But today the judge has berated Harry’s legal team for breaching the court rules when a copy of the rulings were emailed to someone who’s wasn’t a lawyer. Lawyer Shaheed Fatima WC was also berated for coming into court without an apology for the “clear breach” of court rules.

news.sky.com/story/prince-harrys-lawyer-criticised-as-parts-of-police-protection-claim-against-home-office-to-be-kept-secret-12574161

I don't really believe Harry when he says he feels "unsafe"... I mean, this is one of the safest places there is, and he was in Afghanistan, etc. I think it's just the status that comes with being assigned a RPO. He thinks of himself as an important person, and important people get POs. Minor members of the RF don't get RPOs and he doesn't see himself as swimming in the same pool as them now.

It is totally a status thing and nothing to do with safety. IMHO.

@tigger2022

I don't really believe Harry when he says he feels "unsafe"... I mean, this is one of the safest places there is, and he was in Afghanistan, etc. I think it's just the status that comes with being assigned a RPO. He thinks of himself as an important person, and important people get POs. Minor members of the RF don't get RPOs and he doesn't see himself as swimming in the same pool as them now.

Absolutely. That’s more important to him than paying his respects and supporting his grandmother.

Schillings are the Sussexes solicitors. For litigation their solicitors will instruct a barristers (or, generally, a team with a QC and one or more juniors) to conduct the actual advocacy work, and then all the lawyers (both barristers and solicitors) will work closely together on the case

Thanks once again, Serenster - I'd always thought the big legal practices had "their own" barristers IYSWIM, but put like that it makes perfect sense

Even as a non-legal person I can see from the judge's remarks that the passing-on of the "embargoed draft judgement" was foolish, but if criticism of this kind of thing is already known I have to wonder what led Shaheed Fatima to do it

I agree with others if they both came over and stayed with H's father they would get all the protection he does. Has anyone ever come from overseas & stayed with their parents for a significant event? Of course they have - I think it comes across as grabby and hanging on to the status which earns them their money. I am sad they could not see that there was a way round this so that father and Grandma could see the children. I believe Harry was thought of as "not the sharpest knife in the block" ( I mean academically not in other ways ) & it does seem he takes the press very badly - but seriously could he not see there is a way to do this. I liked him but he really does seem to have lost the plot a bit recently & a shame because he did some good things. But if this is how he is going to be then he better get used to it because my sense is he is losing support. (Other opinions are available)

So H&M, with DC must fly around 20hrs+ back and forth over the sea for a 45minute event (lets add another couple of hours for the champagne do or whatever was said was going on after). They will not have security from and back to the airport, no security to and from the event. They must then leave a baby and toddler to settle in a strange house because the younger DC were not at the memorial. No security if they want to visit fiends and charities. In the meantime, everyone knows they are here, they must endure being ridiculed while making money for papers on their clickbait rubbish articles.

No thanks. H already went to the funeral.

@notanotheroneagain

Would you have the same opinion if - as rumoured- the whole family are going to Invictus ?

Or M could have stayed at home with the kids (she can't have met PP more than a couple of times, and they are very young for long journeys and strange houses); Harry could have stayed with his father or at Windsor with the Queen (maybe he'd have had the job of walking her in to the service) and travel with them. He'd get absolutely the same level of security when on his own as Princess Anne or Edward - more if his particular threat level was deemed higher than theirs at that particular time.

Of course they would have had security to and from the event ! And surely they would have brought their nanny to look after the DC !

The Invictus games are a full week long. The games had to be cancelled because of covid before. The nazis who are after them are in the UK, not Netherlands. Police carry guns in the Netherlands, so I have no idea what deal they have in regards with security etc. I also have no idea what the intelligence situation has been arranged with Harry specifically.

@Chilledchablis1

Of course they would have had security to and from the event ! And surely they would have brought their nanny to look after the DC !

Were we not told he can't have security outside of work? This was not work.

I assume only HMQ, PC&C, W and family got security, afterall we are constantly told that there PPOs leave (or something, no one has ever gone into the details of it) when they are not doing work, so H is being petulant.

Must police in The Netherlands carry guns however personal protection staff are not allowed to . Are you seriously suggested that several members of the police force will be assigned to protecting H 24/7 ?
Are Nazi sympathisers only in the U.K. ?

Most not must

Of course he would have had security travelling to and from The Abbey . It was the most secure route and place in the country that day !

@notanotheroneagain

So H&M, with DC must fly around 20hrs+ back and forth over the sea for a 45minute event (lets add another couple of hours for the champagne do or whatever was said was going on after). They will not have security from and back to the airport, no security to and from the event. They must then leave a baby and toddler to settle in a strange house because the younger DC were not at the memorial. No security if they want to visit fiends and charities. In the meantime, everyone knows they are here, they must endure being ridiculed while making money for papers on their clickbait rubbish articles.

No thanks. H already went to the funeral.

Of course they will have security , they will have the security that the U.K. government deem necessary, given their assessment of the risk. They will also have their own private security. What they will not have is the security which Harry has decided they need. ( which is essentially anything that his brother has )

@ Peaseblossum22

“What they will not have is the security which Harry has decided they need. ( which is essentially anything that his brother has )”
And that is the crux of the matter . H cannot accept that he is not ( and never will be) as senior as W. He is no longer “ the spare”, he is simply another of HM’s grandchildren.

When does this security show up? When the nazi comes over with a gun pointed at Archie ? Don't get the practicalities. The whole point of the PPOs is that they can act in that situation too. What are Harry's own personal guards going to do, wave a baton at the perpetrators.

I am not aware of any neo-nazis threatening Harry's family outside the UK.

If MI6 etc and met/ special branch think that there is a credible security threat likely to end in an assassination attempt then they will have PPO from the minute their plane lands . None of us are party to the security information but I am not sure I can remember any royals foreign or domestic ( and remember all the European monarchs were at the service on Tuesday) being assassinated other than Mountbatten who was of course in Ireland having been advised not to go. There is no reason to believe that the security services would be slap dash with his security , can you imagine the fall out if a Prince Harry was assassinated, why do you think they would risk that ?

I don't think it's only just the issue of 'slap and dash' regarding information sharing, but I think the other side of it, is the last minute threats that just appear without going on the radar . Like when Princess Anne had her threat, when the young man climbed the walls at Windsor etc. I don't think any of those were about information sharing, they just needed quick on the minute action - which PPOs will be able to deal with immediately.

Princess Anne was in 1974 so not really comparable and with the incident at Windsor that just involved the royal protection unit who are assigned to a residence not an individual so would also be protecting the Sussexes at Windsor or Highgrove/Clarence House.

I am identifying them in the context of being last minute threats without prior intel about them.

The UK based Neo nazi's being mentioned here were part of the UK Chapter of a US based neo nazi organisation.

Neo Nazi's are International, they are not local, if PH is a target, he will be a target anywhere on the globe.

In fact, not so long ago the Dutch government allowed a neo nazi group have an official and legal demonstration outside the Israeli Embassy.

They are not keyboard warriors like the two where were jailed in the UK for racist propaganda.

He is probably safer in the UK than anywhere else.

@notanotheroneagain

When does this security show up? When the nazi comes over with a gun pointed at Archie ? Don't get the practicalities. The whole point of the PPOs is that they can act in that situation too. What are Harry's own personal guards going to do, wave a baton at the perpetrators.

I am not aware of any neo-nazis threatening Harry's family outside the UK.

Gosh if it's that bad then Harry must stay away from the UK for the rest of his life.

I think the other side of it, is the last minute threats that just appear without going on the radar

I agree with this, as in the lone maniac who nobody knows about

Unfortunately, even hemming someone in with security 24/7 will never protect against it completely, unless perhaps they never leave their house, which is how the Queen came to be "shot at" (fortunately with blanks)

Horrible as it is, it's just a risk the prominent run, so prior intelligence - which TBF the security services are pretty good at - is probably the most effective route in the end

Not so long ago the Dutch government allowed a neo nazi group have an official and legal demonstration outside the Israeli Embassy

I hadn't heard that, but am not surprised. The Netherlands has got extreme liberalism like a disease, and while it can be admirable in some ways, it's also turned parts of that lovely country into a sewer