Prince Andrew Thread 2

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4442126-Prince-Andrew

Here is previous thread.

I've started a new thread because today and tomorrow is crucial as far as the pending civil case.

And I also had a few comments I wanted to say to posters at the end of the last thread, but it ran out.

It was very brave of her to basically sack him from the business, but now she's supporting him privately as his mother

She's always had her beady eye on the monarchy's interests so sacking him (even though technically he stepped down) was more about preserving the institution which has always been her bottom line.

She's not just supporting him privately. She's been flipping the bird to the plebs virtually since the scandal blew up starting with a horse ride at Windsor in full view of a known pap haunt a few days after the Newsnight interview.

The suggestion in the news report was that the general wording may or may not let him off depending on the judge's interpretation

I hope the judge has a strong moral compass, the word ‘interpretation’ seems so crucial.

Sailing I think the standing by him has come about by a defiant award of the highest honour to him after all this broke. And days after the interview being photographed with him in the car on the way to Church.

That's the way I see it anyway. If that's not a stamp of approval, I don't know what is...

😂😂😂

@SailingNotSurfing

I'm not sure where I stand on the Queen's approach to her second son's dubious, illegal, atrocious and amoral behaviour. Do we know for sure she is standing by him?

I know that for me, personally, if there was any hint that my son was involved in sexual activities with underage girls, I would find it very hard to offer my support - unless I knew 100% the claims were fraudulent and malicious.

On a personal level she's his mother and I don't doubt she loves him ,and maybe wants to protect him,however she might feel about his actions Publicly she has never made her feelings known about personal matters .

Everything I have read about the Queen during any crisis is that she buries her head in the sand hoping time will make it go away. In fairness this works for some things, but not in this case.
The Royal Family have handled this whole thing appallingly since the beginning. And I am always surprised by how bad their PR seems to be. I don't know if the firms are to blame or if the RF refuse to take good PR advice.

Rousette

"To turn a blind eye to all of this is incomprehensible to me. And it's why I've gone from quite the royalist decades ago to completely the opposite now."

Interesting.

Do you think in any way that HMQ has kind of - well not exactly given up - but more gone a bit de-mob happy /AWOL and just does not care any more since DofEd died?

She must be heartily sick of the drama down the years and I expect DofEd somehow humoured her through it and she does not have that now.

That would explain it if she takes the "I am only regarding him as my son and nothing else, I don't care what happens after I die so I am going to give PA all of the honours I like now" approach.

And I am sure she is totally tone deaf to the moral angle of it especially if she knew (which I think she did) that DofEd was unfaithful to her himself (not sure who with, I dont know enough) but she just expected it and did not care who the third party was herself.

This from US press this morning...

"Giuffre's civil case against Andrew is still in its early stages. U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan has said a trial could begin between September and December of 2022 if no settlement is reached.

A hearing on Andrew's motion to dismiss the case is scheduled for Tuesday morning"

So although the papers will be revealed, the decision will not be until tomorrow morning US time.

Andrews legal team seem to have tried every technicality they can to get this case thrown out. I hope the Judge is as fed up of this as anyone following this case is and throws it out again.

And on my comment:

"I think the Queen's final actions will actually be remembered and quoted down the years and that is what will really stick, for better or (more likely) for worse"

I now think this twice over.

She is such a long standing monarch and, after her death, the people who did love/hate her, will love/hate her a million times over and so if she makes the wrong choice now it will really resonate down the years.

If he is found liable, they will have to jettison, severely sideline him, demote him and/or exile him somehow

And as I said on the first thread, what about all Andrew will know about the rest of them, particularly his elder brother who'll soon be the one "in charge"?
If they piss him off too much it would be only too easy to feed stories to the media; after all the RF do it all the time, so sidelining him could create more problems than it solves

And yes, thanks from me too for the thread, Roussette; with today's hearing it'll be needed

From what I've read PC and especially PW cannot stand Andrew.
His life after HMQ dies is going to change somewhat.
Glad there is a new thread, hope the victim shaming of the last thread isn't repeated.

Just keeping an eye in ...

Thanks stormzy.

@Roussette

Spooky she is totally defending him! See my post of 12.14 on here.

Ah... sorry was too busy reading the vanity fair article!

I still think it's an awful position she is in though. Especially after the year she has just had. I have a lot of sympathy for her.

Innocent until proven guilty as they say (he's guilty as hell!!) so really I don't see what she can do except distance herself until the court case.

He is so obviously guilty. The interview he gave himself totally convinced me of that. If it does proceed to trial, his lawyers would be wise to avoid him testifying unless he is forced to. He is a terrible liar.

One thing I learned today and only slightly off topic...

GM was married. It was a secretive marriage to a multi millionaire aged 46 that took place in 2016. In 2020 her husband stood by her saying she was a wonderful woman.
Then in 2021 he rang her whilst she was in solitary confinement before the trial and told her the marriage was over.

The aides and courtiers were feeling the heat and are now saying they had no choice, he ran roughshod over them and told them the only person he answered to was the Queen

Hard to blame them really, especially with no clear direction coming from the top
As with the protection officers they'll protect themselves against being expected to take the rap, knowing there'll be no support from the RF

RoyalFF

Yes! If the carcrash interview is anything to go by, he is the world's worst liar.
Dramatic pauses, shaking of his head, mouth hanging open, nonsense excuses.... US justices would have a field day

Placemarking.

@Rousette, I believe she transferred all her money over to him to protect it from any claims.

If it does proceed to trial, his lawyers would be wise to avoid him testifying unless he is forced to

As I've said so often, there won't be a trial. If it got moved to the UK it would be squashed instantly, and any attempt to try him in the US would almost cer tainly bring forth an "illness" or whatever to make it impossible

As you rightly suggest, the idea of him being questioned rigorously by top lawyers is unthinkable considering what his standard of intelligence landed him in even with Emily Maitlis

He's 61 year's old
It's fucking laughable he's hiding out with mummy 😂😂
He's bloody lucky his mother is still alive to protect him.
I'd lost both parents by the time I was 40.

@Roussette plus if he testified his lies are so obvious, it would generate a lot of press and social media responses. I hope he is forced to testify.

In terms of protection officers, I assume they knew it looked very dodgy but may not have had any evidence. Without evidence, all you can do is report it to your bosses.

A main premise of the Emily matlis interview was that he was friends with "her" not him.
Again who would advise him that was an easy route out?

Who didn't think ahead and say.. Hang on, what if she is convicted? Either they are scared of him or or they are thick.
I go for the former.