Prince Andrew thoughts

[Reduceddutiesboredom]

Maybe he’ll stop hiding behind his mummy now…

You would've thought so. Especially as PA emphasised how unusual it was to frequent Pizza Express

Again, really not defending PA and if this indeed took place, there is no chance whatsoever that his security detail or secretary doesn’t have this noted down. I don’t think it happened in the first place, I think it was a lie.

However, from the other parents, you never know. Many children invite the entire class and in some cases the entire year. Before Covid there were a huge amount of parties for our three children, logistical nightmare to get them to places (they go to school with wealthy /famous children, we don’t even have a cleaner). Some parties have been in amazing places (I remember a ball room ), some parties have been very low key, pizza express style parties. I remember a particular ball room because I have never been to such a nice venue myself. I couldn’t tell you which parents were there apart from 3 mum friends who I was talking to about the amazing venue. I couldn’t tell you which year it was but I know which child who attended and the child hosting because it was so special.

To be honest, I always think it must be so hard for famous parents to be recognised. I chat to parents of DCs close friends (none of which are famous) and nod to the others I recognise. Assume that the York girls get invited to 20 parties a year. This is probably very low since some parents will invite royalty especially. If PA occasionally pick up/drops off that would mean that parents would bump i to him at school gates, at sports events and at maybe 10 parties a year - for each of the girls assuming no overlapping friends. The novelty of someone famous wears off. Over several years, it may be tricky to say for certain which parties he was at, especially a long time ago.

But again, there is no chance that security detail /secretary won’t confirm, so maybe it is a moot point. I am just saying that just because parents won’t remember it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Besides, as PP pointed out, what stopped him from going out after the pizza party if he indeed was there?

The reality of it is that it's hard to believe that absolutely not one other person on earth can recall him being in pizza express

Completely agree with that Laud.

This is what I have been thinking as well.

It is strange, more so because someone does remember him being in the nightclub that same night.

Also, why are the media 'investigative journalists' not tracking down who was on duty or at the party that night. Years ago? You can still get the staff list and someone will tell you who was the shift manager that day, surely.

I think I can (barely) understand the toffs from his children school keeping quiet, but what does a PE former staff have anything to lose with confirming that he was there.

PS : I do eventually agree that he could have been in both places on the same day.

Did you hear the "expert" on the bbc news this evening.

There's a clause in "agreement" that Giuffre and Epstein signed that says it is only enforceable by them. Epstein is obviously no longer here to enforce it, and Giuffre isn't going to, is she. So it seems PA may be back to square one.

In his "interview" Prince Andrew states simultaneously that he remembers pizza express because its so incredibly unusual for him to be in a place like "that". But then he says he doesn't want remember being upstairs in gm house? Or tramp or meeting and sleeping with vg??

As they said on the u tube clip body language, how long does a children party at pizza express go on for?
At what time do do people go out clubbing in London?

So say someone spotted him there (allegedly) and it was 1 am...

Not being able to sweat is a very serious condition and is often fatal. If he was telling the truth he'd be permanently flushed and struggling with overheating. He's a bullshitter who's spent his whole life being answerable to nobody. About time reality gave him a slap.

AND there'd be medical reports, for a member of the RF no less.

I find it difficult to believe that the family who hosted the party don't have photos of the York girls at the party. In 2001, it wasn't unusual to have a digital camera - I owned one and am not a high earner.

I also find it hard to believe that no staff remember somebody entering the restaurant with a bodyguard. That's the sort of thing that people notice and would have gone home and told friends and family. I'd imagine that it was easy money going to the press with a recollection of that day- especially if you could help the press locate multiple staff who remember.

Because he is hoping that the settlement agreement between Epstein and Giuffre will enable him to have the case stopped. There was supposed to have been a clause in it which stated that she wasn't allowed to sue other people, I don't know if there are actual names but it is alleged that the word "royalty" was used, which I presume would let Prince Andrew off the hook.

I'm not sure - they said on Radio 4 last night that there was also a clause that forbid anyone relying on the agreement that wasn't a named participant in it at the time it was signed. It doesn't seem very clear cut....

I also find it hard to believe that no staff remember somebody entering the restaurant with a bodyguard. That's the sort of thing that people notice and would have gone home and told friends and family. I'd imagine that it was easy money going to the press with a recollection of that day- especially if you could help the press locate multiple staff who remember

I agree - any other parents or indeed invitees might not remember because the Yorks being at events would be something that happened so it wouldn't be stand out 'special'. But for anyone else who was there that night, then yes I'd expect it to be memorable. They might not be bang on clear about the date, but they'd know he turned up one night at about that time.

It doesn't account for the time after the pizza party, so doesn't let him off the hook even if someone came forward. But it would show that that part of what he said was true. And without it, there will be a persistent question mark over his accuracy (wrong night, perhaps?) or veracity (it's a taradiddle)

@LoudSnoringDog

The reality of it is that it's hard to believe that absolutely not one other person on earth can recall him being in pizza express

This. And the simplest and therefore most plausible explanation for me is that he could well have gone to the Pizza Express party (I don't think they'd make the entire story up, too risky, more convincing to spin a lie that's got an aspect of truth to it) and then have gone elsewhere afterwards. Kids' birthday parties don't go on late into the evening and typically don't run on into club opening hours.

I can believe that even if people do remember him being there, they might now be reluctant to speak up because who wants to be responsible for letting an abuser off the hook? Even though, as I said and as pp have said, being at Pizza Express wouldn't stop him going elsewhere the same night. But it would be seen as an intervention in Andrew's defence and I'm not sure many people would now be willing to stand up and do that.

I am also puzzled that the Met does not have any record from the protective officers, anywhere? This is a special section of the met, so I would assume they keep record for a number of reasons. Do the protection officers simply not remember anything?

The records have been destroyed rubics

One of the PPOs applied for his old timesheets and was told that

@Roussette

The records have been destroyed rubics

One of the PPOs applied for his old timesheets and was told that

Yes, I find that in itself dodgy.

Also, since it was a special occasion (a birthday in 'unusual place') is there no officer who remembers what took place that night?

Well, the Sarah Everard case has revealed how much covering goes on in special sections of the
Met for dodgy behaviour by their officers. I would not be at all surprised to find that they've 'lost' time sheets to cover either for PA or, coincidentally, for one of their own. Or maybe they were in on it. I am pretty cynical about the Met now after this last year's events.

I have to say, the most amazing thing to me regarding this case is that not only is Andrew using the settlement to argue the case - therefore implying that, yes he is one of the perverts to be protected by JE, he is also arguing the NY law extending the statute of limitations to give victims of child sexual abuse more time to sue is unconstitutional.
He doesn't just want to block VJ access to justice. He wants to block all child sexual abuse victims access.

How abhorrent is that !