Prince Andrew thoughts

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Maybe he’ll stop hiding behind his mummy now…

I think he's a bit more than a 'prat'. My brother's a prat at times, so is my DH. I don't put them into the category of PA and his behaviour

Of course there will be verification of the Pizza Express story somewhere. Kids to a birthday party, parents picking up, staff there... I'm sure it's unusual to have Royalty calling in. Even PA said he remembers it because it was unusual

Pizza Express is trending on twitter.....

Good.

He's a liar and a fool. If he went to pizza express (if) locals and staff would be talking about it forever.
Why doesn't his daughter come out and verify his story?
Or the parents of the birthday girl?
Or the staff?
Or the protection officers?

Because it didn't happen that's why

Exactly Roussette.
He made the claims and now all he has to do is back them up. His arrogance is staggering.

If both Beatrice and him have forgotten whose birthday it was, the school would know, the parents could then be contacted. I used to know a Private Investigator, he could find out just like that!
This could be cleared up.
But he's not doing that, I wonder why

Because he is hoping that the settlement agreement between Epstein and Giuffre will enable him to have the case stopped. There was supposed to have been a clause in it which stated that she wasn't allowed to sue other people, I don't know if there are actual names but it is alleged that the word "royalty" was used, which I presume would let Prince Andrew off the hook.

We will find out in the next few days when the settlement agreement is made available to the public.

Would the school keep records for twenty years? Especially with GDPR?

I seem to have a hazy memory from a few years back that the school I worked in then had to delete records and photos of pupils after they'd left but I'm happy to be corrected on that if anyone has experience with GDPR..

I think it's interesting the lawyers have gone for the sweating and Pizza Express stories.

Looks like the Duke of Porkies is getting well and truly set up.

If he was genuinely in Pizza Express, and therefore genuinely innocent, you'd think one of the parents might have spoken up by now. It can't be every day a Prince of the Realm attends a birthday party in PE.

Yes, agree.

Princes of the Realm might have trouble remembering the peasants they've rubbed shoulders with even while they remember they were slumming it. Said peasants however will remember every detail of any encounter yet no-one's breathlessly corroborated so far.

@CathyorClaire

Yes, agree.

Princes of the Realm might have trouble remembering the peasants they've rubbed shoulders with even while they remember they were slumming it. Said peasants however will remember every detail of any encounter yet no-one's breathlessly corroborated so far.

In not so sure.

One of my DC was classmate of someone with a Very Very Famous parent. I'd be hard pushed to tell you which of the birthday parties they were at. Because they just cropped up from time to time.

But the family of the birthday girl might remember, as might DD or is close protection team, diary secretaries etc

You are right that it would be strange to forget PA at Pizza Express. The parents have said they can't remember. The friends' parents have said nothing. There is a deafening silence, but I suspect any good investigative journalist and character assessor would have worked out that there may be a reason for the silence.

Going back to the sweating allegation. He claimed in the interview that he had a rare condition that prevented him sweating. He said something along the lines that it occurred when he was in the Falklands. In the forces serving people are seen by private doctors though I believe it is linked to their NHS records. Though that for the mere mortals not sure how it would work for PA ( who when not serving would have private healthcare anyhow)
Hopefully someone will be along soon who could shed more light...

My point being if two sets of records exist, surely they would check both regarding this medical condition?

Interesting the deafening silence re pizza Express.

Service personnel are not seen by private doctors.

There is a Defence Medical Service (made up of Army Navy and Air Force medical services) and all primary care for serving personnel is provuded through them (it's specified in NHS acts, and cross funded in light of that, families only when overseas or occasionally in some home garrisons if local CCG pays across capitation)

Service personnel cannot be prevented from using private doctors. However, if a health issue is not either treated by the military or declared to the military alongside private treatment, then the person cannot make a claim if they are injured in line of duties and the undeclared health condition was potentially relevant.

Inability to sweat would be potentially relevant, as possible inability to regulate body temperature normally can be harmful when physically active.

I expect the military keep medical record pretty much forever, and if it was in the Falklands (or on troopship going there/back) there would be no private medical options available. Though if he meant 'around the time of the Falklands' then it could have been anywhere

I'm pretty sure I would remember if someone famous had been at one of my kid's birthday parties. I'm also pretty sure I'd have taken photos, and that other people there would have done so. Odd that no one has been uncovered who can produce a photo of PA at this event.

Not sure you would have been allowed to take pictures if PA was there. My DH was in a pub once when PA and SF were meeting in a side room. The protection officers and staff made sure no one approached them and, although that was before mobile phones were so prevalent, I am fairly sure they would have stepped in to stop pictures. DH still remembers it though so it is still strange that no-one has come forward to say one way or another whether he was there.

Absolutely implausible that Prince Andrew could attend a birthday party and no one would remember that he came.

People remember meeting celebrities. If you dropped your child off at a pizza party and Prince Andrew was there you would remember it, you'd have told people about it in the intervening time, your child would probably remember the time they went to a party with a princess.

The royal family's officials duties include simply being at events and meeting people because meeting them is apparently significant and memorable.

Why is the tax payer supporting their visits to places if they are so unremarkable that no one can even remember they came?

Why is the tax payer supporting their visits to places if they are so unremarkable that no one can even remember they came?

That made me laugh. Yes, exactly. I saw the queen quite close up, I can remember everything about it. It was over 35 years ago

@DuncinToffee

Exactly Roussette. He made the claims and now all he has to do is back them up. His arrogance is staggering.

He’s not just arrogant. He is extremely thick not have thought through the consequences of using that defence i.e. that he would have to prove his claims. He clearly received no legal advice before the interview.

Yes Duncin. Going by an article I linked on the other thread, he refused to listen to any advice at all. Two advisers resigned when he went ahead with the carcrash interview. He was a law unto himself within the RF. And told anyone who questioned him that he only person he was answerable to, was the Queen.

And he charmed her. Apparently, he was the only one to bow and kiss her hand every time he came in a room where she was. No idea how true this is, but given his positioning I wrote about above, it may well be true.

@diddl

"that doesn't mean that any other alleged recipients of their skills were."

But then why did they "receive the skills"?

Sorry, it's two pages ago, but I think they, The Sleazles, received the skills (my mind boggles, and I try to keep my words decent) because they were far more interested in having some sort of sexual encounter provided by their great mate JE, who'd trained the girls up really well, to do whatever, than they necessarily were in the actual age of the girl. I might be wrong. Put me right on this, anyone, but I don't think he fired every girl the moment she reached the age of consent.

I don’t even understand the relevance of the supposed Pizza Express trip. Surely you could easily have picked up your dc from Woking and then managed to make Annabel’s later? My nightclubbing days are sadly in the rearview mirror, but surely the end of a kid’s party and peak nightclub activity do not overlap - he would hardly be sole carer anyway; presumably he could have collected Beatrice and then headed on out later. It was a daft alibi.

He said something along the lines that it occurred when he was in the Falklands

An overdose of adrenaline when he was being shot at IIRC.

Perhaps the undoubted OD he's experiencing once again will magically cure it.

I don’t think it is significant that the parents don’t remember if PA was there. We have had a few famous parents in DCs classes. Everyone tries to give them privacy and treat them as everyone else. I could not tell you if anyone was at a certain event/pick up this far after.

However, I find it completely impossible to imagine that the protection officers/diary responsible etc won’t know this. It should be beyond easy to check out.

@HooverIsAlwaysBroken but not one parent remembers?

Fascinating to hear some are blasé about rubbing shoulders with royalty. We must travel in different circles!

If not the other parents then at least the staff. With all the coverage, not one person has read the paper thought 'wait! I remember meeting Prince Andrew at Pizza Express when I was working there. Better get in touch with his legal team and save an innocent man's reputation.'

Not one.

And I agree with you, I'm sure their security team would have shift records etc. They have personal secretaries. Such an easily provable statement- if it was true.

Surely to God his daughter would remember which friend of was throwing a party at pizza express