Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

I hae answered the question more than once. Why does it have to just apply to them?

FFS have you actually read my posts?

It doesn't just apply to them. I'm not saying they should have their titles formally removed, just that they should not use them. The York girls did not use their titles when working. Harry himself did not use his in the army. In the court case against the French magazine which published the topless photos of Kate, they were simply 'Monsieur et Madame Mountbatten-Windsor'.

There is plenty of precedent for royals choosing not to use their titles. This whole 'Why are you singling out poor Harry and Meghan?' nonsense is tired.

@ShamedBySiri

I'm not saying it will make any difference but I'm wondering why they apparently cannot ask for these titles to be removed. Surely if they asked there would be no reason to not respect their wishes?

Not sure if the technicalities are comparable but there is at least one precedent that I can think of: Tony Benn who was the first peer to renounce his peerage to enable him to take his seat in Parliament. He had to campaign for a change in the law to achieve it. I find myself respecting him far more than when he was a figure of fun on the loony left. He was a man of principle and that is a sadly rare trait these days.

That's really interesting to read. Thank you.

I find it hard to believe the queen and duke gave their kids a shitty childhood after the queen had a happy childhood.

Maybe Harry doesn’t understand the queen had a fucking job to do and couldn’t just piss off to naval gaze in California & be a SAHP.

Their both just so tone deaf.

@IcedPurple

Fans lol. No, just hate the ridiculous bullying of them. And unfairness.

Here you go again. 'Hate', 'trolling', 'bullying'. They don't have to read a single word of what is written about them. But they do because they both seem to be utterly obsessed with what people think of them. Criticising people who choose to be in the public eye is not 'bullying'.

And you're clearly a fan. Why else put so much energy into defending two extraordinarily privilged people who seem remarkably self-absorbed? They wouldn't do it for you.

Did you criticise SarahF when she did a tell all about how awful it all was for her in the RF... the men in grey suits plotting against her, the lack of support for her etc etc.

Yes I did.

Nail hitting head here.

They were mostly deleted because the Meghan fans swooped on and accused anyone of criticising her of being a racist

Absolutely untrue. I read posts on here that literally gave me a jolt with the hate, the nastiness, the words used. I couldn't repeat some of what I read on here.

And FWIW I personally never accused anyone of that.

Nail hitting head here

So there are threads on here about that? Really? I've been here a very long time, I never saw them.

@AmandaHoldensLips has summed it up perfectly

@Roussette

They were mostly deleted because the Meghan fans swooped on and accused anyone of criticising her of being a racist

Absolutely untrue. I read posts on here that literally gave me a jolt with the hate, the nastiness, the words used. I couldn't repeat some of what I read on here.

And FWIW I personally never accused anyone of that.

Going by your posts today, I'd say your defintion of 'hate' - anybody who isn't utterly uncritical of the Montecito Moaners - is diffferent from mine.

Harry could certainly ask for the titles to be removed, or he could just stop using them, or just use them in certain circumstances. Beatrice and Eugenie don't use theirs in a professional capacity for example.

The Queen is far more concerned about Harry using HRH rather than Duke of Sussex, hence negotiating with Harry and Meghan that they wouldn't use HRH in their new lives. She could strip Harry of HRH & Prince and leave him as a non-royal Duke of Sussex but I doubt she will ever do this. She doesn't like removing titles officially from her family, similar to Prince Edward's children having HRH but never using it. Charles and William could take a different view when their time comes depending on how family relations unfold.

Going by your posts today, I'd say your defintion of 'hate' - anybody who isn't utterly uncritical of the Montecito Moaners - is diffferent from mine

You can actually think what you like. That's fine by me.

I have posted hundreds of times what I feel about them, good and bad, but really... I don't have to justify my position to you... a random on the internet.

So there are threads on here about that? Really? I've been here a very long time, I never saw them.

I have been here since 2002, I remember various threads about SF but to be honest she has kept a fairly low profile . There was a thread last year about her ridiculous reading of stories on You Tube .

There is not a lot new that can be said about the H&M saga to be honest. It’s just very sad, I don’t buy the view that it’s all Meghan , Inthink it’s equal really but I do think that Harry would be happier completely out if the public gaze but Meghan is aware of the financial imperative to make money now whilst they are ‘hot’ .

@Roussette

Going by your posts today, I'd say your defintion of 'hate' - anybody who isn't utterly uncritical of the Montecito Moaners - is diffferent from mine

You can actually think what you like. That's fine by me.

I have posted hundreds of times what I feel about them, good and bad, but really... I don't have to justify my position to you... a random on the internet.

Youv'e posted 'hundreds of times' about this pair, and yet you are not a fan?

Harry could certainly ask for the titles to be removed, or he could just stop using them, or just use them in certain circumstances. Beatrice and Eugenie don't use theirs in a professional capacity for example.

Thanks for replying. I was genuinely just curious if there was actually anything physically stopping them from asking. If not it does rather raise the question why not choose not to use them.

I'm honestly trying to think but the only reason I can come up with is because they are more recognisable with the titles. I do wonder if you asked someone outside of the UK who Harry Wales was for example they would be able to identify him?

Helping others gives me my fix.

If I wake up feeling a bit crap then I go out and help my neighbour then I can go home, put my feet up and have a good day.

And to paraphrase, he set up Invictus to help himself.

Youv'e posted 'hundreds of times' about this pair, and yet you are not a fan?

So how about the posters who have posted x10 what I do? But in a derogatory way... what are they?!
If it suits you to call me a fan, carry on with that, would love to know about the other ones and what you would call them!

If you don't mind me saying, you do seem a little over invested in what I post. Are you one of my fans? 🤣

I’m going to share the good stuff.

and then love and compassion becomes the driving force, not the hate.

@GlencoraP

So there are threads on here about that? Really? I've been here a very long time, I never saw them.

I have been here since 2002, I remember various threads about SF but to be honest she has kept a fairly low profile . There was a thread last year about her ridiculous reading of stories on You Tube .

There is not a lot new that can be said about the H&M saga to be honest. It’s just very sad, I don’t buy the view that it’s all Meghan , Inthink it’s equal really but I do think that Harry would be happier completely out if the public gaze but Meghan is aware of the financial imperative to make money now whilst they are ‘hot’ .

I’m not sure I agree that there’s nothing new to say about them. I’m absolutely shocked about what H has said about PC and the Queen’s parenting in public, particularly so soon after the DofE’s death. I never imagined he’d do something like that.

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@Ocsetldil 😂

@Roussette

He's clearly in absolute awe of everything that comes out of Meghan's mouth and Meghan, for her part, is 100% all about Meghan. The thing I find really amusing about her is that the MORE sincere she believes herself, the more all-too-apparent it is that she's anything BUT sincere

God alive. What rubbish is this. Do you know them personally? Do you know the dynamics of their marriage?

No.
You don't know any of this.

I imagine (but I don't know) that it's an equal marriage.

You're clearly a super-fan, so anything negative anyone says about them you're going to think is 'rubbish'.

That Harry's suddenly become emboldened to start publicly trashing his family ONLY since Meghan arrived in his life isn't a coincidence.

Of course I don't know them. I, like the rest of us, am basing my opinions ONLY on the public personas of a couple who, quite obviously, WANT to court media attention and talk about themselves and their experiences - to the overshadowing of ANYTHING else they may be striving to achieve through that public persona.

They're doing their humanitarian/charitable causes harm by continually drawing the spotlight towards their familial/domestic situation - which is a terribly poor approach to PR. I don't know who's advising them on that score, but my assumption is that Meghan thinks she's some sort of PR supremo herself and she really, REALLY isn't.

Harry's growing confidence in what he's saying to the media is driven by the encouragement of a wife who, having spent a lot of time in glare of publicity herself, thinks she can control public perception of them as couple. She can't. No 'famous' person can. Public perception and acceptance/rejection thereafter of the 'story' (for that is what it is) they're selling is balanced by how believable, authentic or otherwise genuine the public is willing to be.

For my money, M&H are selling one massive steaming pile of badly-constructed, poorly-delivered vanity after another right now. If that doesn't fit with your own opinion of them, well, that's showbiz, kid.

Public perception and acceptance/rejection thereafter of the 'story' (for that is what it is) they're selling is balanced by how believable, authentic or otherwise genuine the public is willing "to believe them to be" that should have read.

PegPeople I think you've hit the nail on the head about being recognisable - it's part of their 'brand'. (Can't think of a better word than brand!)

No reason why they can't stop using their titles use 'Windsor' or 'Mountbatten-Windsor' or 'Sussex' as a surname. There are some European royals out there who don't technically have a surname but this doesn't apply to Harry. I think they've missed a PR trick by not doing this and giving up the HRH entirely.

The focus seems to be firmly on Charles and the faults in the royal family - ie Harry’s family

It's obvious, isn't it?

Charles refused to bankroll their self-indulgent life seeking 'financial independence' in California. Harry said as much in the whiny Oprah interview. Hence all the rage being directed at him. It's a most unedifying spectacle.