Positive thread on Meghan again

[Mummy194]

Now that at the other knock off MN chat has been shut down, we seem to have an influx of those posters on here with new or encouraged accounts.

For those who are not interested in trawling through negative post after the other. You can come on here for positive news about Meghan and Harry.

Why not, everyone else seems to be viewed positively, without 'cynicism'. I don't mind taking this at snail pace, we just post on the good things about H&M, they sure seem to be doing a lot of that lately, and it's really buried under the negativity on MN.

Didn’t MN say they only wanted only wanted one thread on Harry and Meghan running though? Surely it’s better to have one that welcomes all instead of trying to set people up to take sides (both against other posters and other members of the RF)? There shouldn’t be sides; people should be able to be positive about what they like and critical about what they feel deserves it. Otherwise you are just pitting posters against one another and attempting to have this thread as an echo chamber. I also don’t think the Talk Guidelines allow posters to dictate who can and who can’t post on particular threads, which is what you are effectively trying to do.

There are about 3 or 4 running Sunbathing even though they aren't called @Harry & Meghan'.... 80% of the content is about them.

One about Harry's 'transatlantic' accent, one about Archie etc.

The most the OP has said is... we can link positive news about them if we like - nothing wrong with that. Where does it show she has dictated who can post here? Let everyone come on as far as I'm concerned... and maybe learn about some of the good things they're doing? Is that an echochamber?

I do wonder why MM and/or H have never spoke out against some of the horrific things their fans say.

What "horrific things"? I've been looking on Twitter for all these awful things Meghan-bashers keep claiming Meghan fans say, and I can't find them.

On the other hand, ten seconds on Twitter and it's easy to find many thousands of tweets from pro-royalists (and especially from Kate fan accounts) calling Meghan the N word, calling Archie racial slurs, calling Meghan a slut, a whore, a narc, a liar, accusing her of faking both her pregnancies, claiming Harry's not Archie's dad, claiming Charles isn't Harry's dad. I logged in to Twitter, did a search on Meghan Markle, and the first things that came up were a cartoon a Kate fan had drawn of a shocked-looking Queen in a zoo, staring at Meghan who'd been drawn as a gorilla squatting on the ground. The second topmost tweet was a tweet about Archie's nose widening into a "black man's nose".

I've seen posts trying to align Meghan with the (alleged) behaviour of her fans many times here, but no one's ever said "Why doesn't Kate ask Kate fansites to stop tweeting that Meghan's a ni*er bitch who faked her pregnancy".

In fact the opposite. The alleged bad behaviour of Sussex Squad is used to smear Meghan all the time, but when racism and abuse from Royal fans is exposed, the response is "oh but they're just Twitter trolls, Twitter is full of trolls, it doesn't mean anything, who cares."

On the last thread someone even made the argument that just because someone uses the N word doesn't mean they're racist, they could just be a troll or even a black poster trying to get ammo to unfairly paint MN as being racist.

It's yet another double standard.

Mn hq did say only one thread, but that was ages ago, they then stopped all threads because of the trolling.
Now it seems like all threads are allowed.
The op has just started a thread, called it what she wants.
No one has to post on it.

@Velveteenchair I spent some time this morning reading about DM’s bullying campaign on Dean and Alana Stott’s Instagram and Twitter accounts along with the anti-hacking Twitter account Hugh Grant retweeted. The stress made that poor woman miscarry their third child. What a loss and to know it’s because due to a bunch evil shit grabbers like DM is even worse.

I’m glad the Stotts are finally speaking up. Hopefully some (moderate?) British people can start to realize this is a coordinated effort by the papers to break H & M along with anyone who dares to be close friends with them. Did y’all notice the Stotts also moved to California last year too? They escaped to Orange County and said tata to Britain and the terrible UK press. Good for them!

@Mummy194 thanks for that link to the LBC video. Everything James O’Brien quoted from the essayist is exactly true. I’ll take a full read of the essay later.

See, @ohforarainyday I just tried the Twitter search you described and the top results weren't at all like that. The top tweet was anti Meghan but the next two down were supportive, as you can see. Now there will be some variations but that suggests to me the most widely shared tweets are much more like what you get here: some big fans of hers, some very much the opposite. I'm not a fan, so you might think the more unpleasant content you describe would come up for me. Yet it doesn't.

What I'm saying here is not that such content doesn't ever occur. But I'm not convinced it's as prevalent as some suggest. Of course in an ideal world there would be zero racism. But we don't have that. I think the picture being drawn here on what immediately and easily presents itself on Twitter is a skewed one.

Everyone is still waiting for that apology. I could be wrong, but I think there will be a another hearing regarding the compensation, so I wonder if the apology will not be part of that. Some estimate that MoS will pay around 1.9M in legal fees, and a whole lot in damages when MM's team works out how much MoS made on the letters (hope they also count the money they made just via prolonging the case).

Thank you @Mummy194 for the links. I went down a rabbit hole reading the judges summary.

I cant speak for others, only for myself, but im not M&H "fan". I know people are not perfect. We are not wholly good, or wholly bad.
We all make mistakes. And we all do good things.
But this is the reason I occasionally pop my head above the parapet and stick up for them.

The criticism is often highly hypocritical. For example Meghan suing the AP/DM

Apparently she should just keep her mouth shut and the bad press will stop. Thus implying because she speaks out, she is to blame for all the horrible stuff printed about her.
Yet all the senior Royal family have sued the press. Even The Queen.
The Queen has sued The Sun a number of times, yet no one states the Queen should keep her mouth shut.

It's just weird.

minou absolutely. It's like no member of he RF has tried to muzzle the press or sued them.

They have very very many times.

But if M&H do, it's like they're destroying GB.

I didn't know they had raised money for Grenfell. That is great. It is the kind of cause that can really benefit from attention from celebrities.

So much to unpack here guys.

Sorry, I had to nip out, but I wanted to say, there is a lot to talk about regarding Dean Stott, Hugh Grant etc. I will try to come on here tomorrow, there is also the concert to cover etc.

But I just wanted to leave this, not particularly new, but on Monday C4 is doing one of their dispatches. Considering that H&M are still bearing the brunt of ' they are cashing in on their status' \ ' no half way in and out', thought I should drop this here.

twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1391077858743881738

Thanks Mummy. They all use their status.

[quote Mummy194]So much to unpack here guys.

Sorry, I had to nip out, but I wanted to say, there is a lot to talk about regarding Dean Stott, Hugh Grant etc. I will try to come on here tomorrow, there is also the concert to cover etc.

But I just wanted to leave this, not particularly new, but on Monday C4 is doing one of their dispatches. Considering that H&M are still bearing the brunt of ' they are cashing in on their status' \ ' no half way in and out', thought I should drop this here.

twitter.com/C4Dispatches/status/1391077858743881738[/quote]
Oh yikes. That’s bad... 😬 Putin?? When will people learn to not touch that guy with a ten foot pole? Sheesh.

That's not really the point though, Skiptheheartsandflowers

The point is that people with an agenda try to hold Meghan accountable for what's tweeted by her fans, and try to subtly align her with those Twitter users, but they never hold Kate responsible for what her fans tweet, and in fact actively defend or downplay Kate fans who use racial slurs.

Why the double standard?

Even the worst things tweeted about Kate don't come close to calling someone racial slurs and drawing cartoons of them as a squatting gorilla. Once again: rude is not the same as racist.

That is quite horrific @ohforarainyday
Just this week, Kate fans were accusing SS of horrible tweets, I must have found 4 threads where SS showed and proved that this was a smear as the posters were not SS at all, and infact never even claimed to be. Just regular people who can't stand the Cambridges. Dan Wooton and other reporters have also been done this, accuse the SS of things they never do. If anything a lot of their tweets come up on my timeline, and they are either calling liars out or saying don't engage, just block. Yep, a way to try and smear MM again.

Ironically, if you want the most anti-Meghan content you just have to go to the Royals accounts themselves. BP, KP etc. The vilest ones are under the Cambridges, who allegedly will zap your tweet so fast if you even put in a rose emoji.

Another place is the RRs. Aside from Dan W and Piers W, you can see in Richard Palmer, Chris Ship, Jobson, Angela L, Camilla T, Russel M etc. a long list of them. If you then go on and defend MM, you will be blocked by these RRs.

Which is quite annoying as these people are supposed to be reporting, instead of egging on trolls.

Then you have MN, where the other day, I saw a 'poem' for MM's book. Realised within 2 lines it was going to be vile, so did not finish it. Except when I went down the thread, that person was being cheered on, claps and smiley faces.

As I said, I turned things around the other day, what MM was called and now was being done by KM. When I showed the same reaction that was shown to MM, posters were desperate to defend her. One even outed themselves as not objective as they were pretending to be.

Apparently she should just keep her mouth shut and the bad press will stop. Thus implying because she speaks out, she is to blame for all the horrible stuff printed about her.
Yet all the senior Royal family have sued the press. Even The Queen.
The Queen has sued The Sun a number of times, yet no one states the Queen should keep her mouth shut.

They are always trying to gag MM. Even with this interview. She must suffer in silence while ppl take advantage of her.

HMQE had an exactly similar copyright and privacy case as MM. When some station revealed her speech - yes the xmas speech, she was intending on making public anyway. There was also something about Anne's picture that HMQE had on her desk while making the speech. But everything was to be revealed on air anyway. But that was a slum dunk win for her. So imagine my surprise when all the RRs went on and on about MM losing and making an unnecessary lawsuit.

Every Christmas season, I watch those movies with Hugh Grant (Bridgette Jones, Love actually etc.). Now my DC believe I have a massive crush on him.lol

HG is part of a group that tries to expose the tabloid tactics. In one interview he said the spies they use come over and confess and just feel bad for what they've done. One time he said he found one of them at his house, having broken in. In HG style, he had a calm chat with the guy. lol.

I head Dean Stott saying he lives close to H, and I'm glad he has a reliable old friend who stands by him like this. I always wonder that the posh friends here in the UK, are also friends of W.
I hope him and his wife's story is spread and people can see what these rags do.

Someone put together this commentary from HG and H regarding the press.
twitter.com/SaGlas297/status/1381624578682847235

And if you have time, here is HG at the Leveson Enquiry. It's very long. But they do get into things from the beginning.

A pregnant MM at VaxLive

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a36373207/meghan-markle-pandemic-disproportionately-impacted-women-of-color-vax-live/

The VaxLive concert is already on Youtube. It looks like a real success.

H comes in around 12.20, 1:11:46
The Bidens 1:01:17
VP Harris 1:32:30
MM around 1:56:38

Lots of big names and high energy, you may want to watch the whole thing.

@Mummy194

So much to unpack here guys.

Sorry, I had to nip out,

You don't need to apologise. This is just a tiny little opinion thread on an internet forum, not a full time job.
You're allowed to "nip out" to the toilet or to get a meal or - even - to lead a real life.

but I wanted to say, there is a lot to talk about regarding Dean Stott, Hugh Grant etc. I will try to come on here tomorrow, there is also the concert to cover etc.

Well, I know I barely slept a wink hoping you'd find a minute to come on here.

Thanks, Mummy, for keeping us all up to date!

I wonder how much of an outcry there will be after C4 airs Dispatches on Monday night.
I suspect not enough.
Yet again a member of the royal family is using their position to make money by compromising themselves offering access to someone dodgy, in this case Putin.
The only saving grace is... his wingman Marquess of something says he would have run it past the right people. Easy to say after getting caught out of course.

Anyway, back to the title of the thread.... that Vax concert was a fantastic thing and has, and will continue to do so much good. What a great initiative for H&M to involve themselves with.

'Yet again a member of the royal family is using their position to make money'

Awful isn't it.

his wingman Marquess of something

Was it "Reading"?

My memory is terrible too (and I, also, think titles are silly and can't be bothered to remember them); it only stuck because it was a heteronym of the actual activity I was doing at the time (the BBC - or something - website, I think).