Harry and Meghan - everyone still being respectful please

[Oldbutstillgotit]

Lots still to talk about .

YES to those who saying docu-series rather than reality tv series. You say tomAtoes I say tomatoes!

I’ve never really bothered with these threads so I’m probably quite behind with what they’ve been up to. I’ve always found how they’ve gone about things to be difficult or whatever but haven’t got into the slagging matches etc. But, I’ve seen about this reality show and I’m baffled. I’m sure the whole branching off etc was because of his mental health being in the public eye, how it affected his mum and subsequently his childhood but doing this makes all of that lose any sense. I don’t get it, how is this good for his mental health or his child’s? This will be more involved in their personal lives than just doing their royal duties would have been, or am I wrong there?

They are losing it. This is the opposite of what they said they wanted.

Do they not realise how completely ridiculous this makes them look.

NoFox

With respect, this is neither your site nor your thread
Obviously not, never said it was!

It certainly looks as if there’s a defence squad whose only motivation for even being on these threads is to leap on and spin for Meghan. Why is that even necessary? Why can’t grown ups who are reading exactly the same material as you arrive at their own conclusions?
I am part of no squad, I post on my own, not part of a group. If you are thinking I am part of the Sussex Squad, I want to dispel that straight off.
Talking of leaping on... this works in reverse you know too. Anything positive posted is pulled to pieces, seen it, done it, it happens.

I agree we both arrive at our own conclusions

And that certain posters yell “racism” without any justification whatsoever goes without question. Literally the only people who care one iota what colour Meghan’s skin is are her self-appointed “defenders”. To the rest of us, she’s just a fellow human being
This is a myth you know. I am a sort of 'defender' if you like to call it that. Never ever have I yelled racism to any poster. And TBH I know that, for a lot of posters, it's nothing to do with her race, it's just her that is not liked.
She's a fellow human being to me too. And this thing saying we are all shouting racist to everyone who doesn't like her is baloney.

I covered the 'reality show' words in a previous post of mine.

But, I’ve seen about this reality show and I’m baffled

Don't be because they aren't doing a reality show. One hour ago...
"Harry and Meghan have denied reports they are set to take part in a reality show for Netflix, after signing a deal with the streaming service. A spokesman for the couple said the duke and duchess "are not taking part in any reality shows" following tabloid reports that a "fly-on-the-wall" series is planned"

@Royalinsider

The multi-store collection that Meghan did for Smartworks sold over 10,000 items and lead to over 10,000 item donations (buy an item and we donate an item scheme) and lead to enough items received to keep their charity stocked for a whole year.

All useful items too, Smartworks had previously told Meghan that they were receiving some stock from retailers, but it wasn't always useful. They mentioned they received a large amount of purple blazers and that their clients weren't picking them.

You seem to be enjoying talking to yourself, Royal Insider. I said in my post that Meghan's Smart Works collection was excellent. No dispute there. What I did say is that clearly don't need her to come up with ways to make money for their charity, citing two of their big recent fundraising announcements, neither of which she appears to have had any involvement in at all, and one of which she absolutely could have contributed to.

And yes, she did a coaching session for one volunteer over the internet. That's kind of like sponsoring a £10 kennel at her dog charity to, to me - not exactly overwhelming. Also Smartworks released the video featuring Meghan's session (which took place in March) over a month later on 29 April - a day which had quite a bit of coverage of the Cambridge's 9th wedding anniversary. I know, what an amazing coincidence!

Now, what I would like to see in a “documentary” is some behind-the-scenes footage of what they were up to in Canada. How did seeking privacy in the backwoods morph into a move to LA? Was there a grand plan all along? Is it true they wanted Windsor Castle and thought Frogspawn Cottage was an insult?

A real documentary would clear up a lot on these threads and prove various posters right/wrong...

How about Harry and Meghan meet Louis Theroux?

@NoFoxToGive

*Nope. Sometimes it's just not agreeing with posts plain and simple. I'm not sure why that's so difficult for some posters to understand. BTW welcome to MN, I see the posts today on here are your first*

So what if these are my first posts? I’ve been reading for a long, long time. With respect, this is neither your site nor your thread.

I don’t agree at all that it’s all down to “just not agreeing”. It certainly looks as if there’s a defence squad whose only motivation for even being on these threads is to leap on and spin for Meghan. Why is that even necessary? Why can’t grown ups who are reading exactly the same material as you arrive at their own conclusions?

And that certain posters yell “racism” without any justification whatsoever goes without question. Literally the only people who care one iota what colour Meghan’s skin is are her self-appointed “defenders”. To the rest of us, she’s just a fellow human being.

Also, for all of the “lies & distortion” the “scum” keep printing about these two, is it not extraordinary how much has turned out to be true? Maybe they are not making a “reality show” like the Osbournes or Kardashians, but I’d bet big money a documentary featuring them and lauding their “charity work” is on it’s way. Tomayto, tomarto.

So what if these are my first posts?

Well since the accusation is usually made by many as a way of implying the poster is a troll and, therefore, it is a way of deflecting from any agreement made from other posters in response to what has been written, I’m interested in knowing the answer to this as well. Especially since MNHQ has specified that troll hunting and/or hounding people off the thread is against their guidelines.

can someone please link to the posts where people have shouted racism.
I have a feeling its being thrown around to shut down anyone who defends M.

How about Harry and Meghan meet Louis Theroux?

😂😂That would go down well on here, not!

love Louis, he liked one of my tweets once, fame at last!

Don't be because they aren't doing a reality show. One hour ago...

Omid was the first to tweet their denial though. So is it straight from Meghan and Harry (like him tweeting their court witness statement, hot off the press) or a work of fiction (like Finding Freedom, apparently)??

I also note that one of the stories that Meghan insisted the Buckingham Palace press office issued an official denial of in late 2019 was the story that they were planning to move to Canada. So, their press denials are not necessarily always what they appear to be. I think the jury must be considered out on this one, and we'll just have to wait and see.

Welcome NoFox. Hope you stick around. Must admit I lurked here for ages but was put off posting due to the style of certain posters and the frustration of watching threads go poof.

@Rousette

It’s not all about you. I didn’t name you, so why assume I’m referencing you?

I have seen with my own eyeballs multiple posters either explictly call people racist or heavily imply it. I simply don’t believe that you’ve failed to notice. People were being called “Nazis” last week...without a peep from you.

You have, however, consistently accused the entire UK media (except the publications you personally like) of “bullying” Meghan. And in order to do that, you fail (in my opinion) to engage honestly with what is actually being written.

Case in point...last week’s DM story about the cost if their SA tour.

You took exception to them highlighting how much was spent and complained that they stuck the cost of other tours with other royals at the bottom. Another example, in your view, of unfair “Meghan and Harry bashing”.

But that wasn’t the story, if you read it. The story was “Look how much we spent on their tour, only to have it ruined by them hijacking it”. The actual headline was something like “A slap in the face”.

This narrative did not apply to Charles or the Cambridges because they did their jobs faultlessly, regardless of what their tours cost.

Now, you may disagree that the SA tour was ruined, but a lot of people feel differently & that was the story the DM ran. You ignored that and complained about one that wasn’t being written.

I find that has consistently been the case with examples of “Harry & Meghan bashing” in the media. Invent a strawman article then use it to prove “bullying”.

Hardly honest debate, is it?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3931421-Effective-measures-against-threads-that-encourage-racism-and-misogyny

that was in January!!! so hardly recent.

Jaxsbum, those posters who like to denigrate those who aren't huge fans of Harry & Meghan regularly refer back to "literally hundreds of threads" (as they keep telling us) when talking about what they don't like, irrespective of how the current discussion is going. Is it a level playing field or not?

I find that has consistently been the case with examples of “Harry & Meghan bashing” in the media. Invent a strawman article then use it to prove “bullying”.

I made the same point in the last thread about Meghan's name being used as clickbait in online articles, when there is no actual criticism of her. It completely distorts the figures people trumpet when talking about all the negative press coverage she allegedly receives, and results in a situation when you are comparing apples with oranges.

t’s not all about you. I didn’t name you, so why assume I’m referencing you?

Because you quoted my post and then replied????

You quote a post of mine, then type a long post, how am I supposed to know you don't mean me?!

Don't agree. The Independent article ... I stand by everything I said.

9 paragraphs about them. Nothing about a 'slap in the face'. Then footnotes at the end about all the hugely expensive travel by other Royals..
here it is if you want to dispute it again

and here is the headline..
PRINCE HARRY AND MEGHAN MARKLE'S AFRICA TOUR COST TAXPAYERS £245,000, ACCOUNTS SHOW

So I'd be grateful if you stop insinuating I am making things up thanks.

Hardly fair is it?

I think it's best if we leave it at that.

The multi-store collection that Meghan did for Smartworks sold over 10,000 items and lead to over 10,000 item donations (buy an item and we donate an item scheme) and lead to enough items received to keep their charity stocked for a whole year

Meghan didn’t invent Smartworks. It wasn’t her idea & she’s not the person running it.

Anything at all that a member of the royal family does brings attention & this translates into extra donations, whether monetary or in goods. That”s exactly why they become patrons in the first place. We saw the same thing with Grenfell Cookbook - Meghan’s involvement, no matter how peripheral, brought immense publicity which translated into sales.

All good. But in no way can that be used as an example of her rare & extraordinary gift, unshared by other members of the royal family.

Do you have any idea how many people The Prince’s Trust has helped? In the 90s I had three friends who received grants and free support to start businesses...one was a cafe that is still in operation today.

Invent a strawman article then use it to prove “bullying”

See my post above with link provided for the Independent article I talked about in my original post about this.

By my reading of that article Rousette the Independent have picked the royal trip that cost the most and made it the subject of their article. From the first couple of paragraphs:

"The flights that the couple took cost nearly a quarter of a million pounds, making it the most expensive royal journey taken in 2019-2020, according to royal records."

Is that true or not, then?

Newspapers generally will pick the "headline story" from the stats and major on that. So if the most expensive trip had been one of Prince Charles' then they would have mentioned that. Of course, Prince Charles' trips weren't followed by a public statement about how no-one asked him how he was, followed by a six week break and then a public statement that he's quitting as a Senior Royal (but only in some respects) in order to be free to seek financial independence, so I imagine that angle wouldn't have come up.

Which gets back to the crux of my issue with their coverage: they literally wrote the negative headlines themselves, for the most part. It's a completely precious for them, or their followers, to expect that we should all have collective amnesia over their actions.

Do you have any idea how many people The Prince’s Trust has helped? In the 90s I had three friends who received grants and free support to start businesses...one was a cafe that is still in operation today

Totally agree with this. My good friend (known each other decades), she left school at 16, started a job at M&S, through Princes Trust they sponsored her at college for some sort of business degree, so part time at M&S and part time college.
To cut a long and probably boring! story short... they looked after her for years, mentoring her, she worked her way up the organisation, moved companies, buyer for different retail outlets (anyone remember Racing Green?!) and eventually ended up on the Board of Arcadia!
All that from help from Prince's Trust at 16 onwards.

@Roussette

Invent a strawman article then use it to prove “bullying”

See my post above with link provided for the Independent article I talked about in my original post about this.

Right.

So you were using an entirely factual article in the Independant to show “bashing” of Meghan & Harry, were you?

No, you were referencing your bete noire, the Daily Mail and their so called “agenda”.

@Jaxsbum

that was in January!!! so hardly recent.

It was June, actually.