Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

Looking at the twitter feed with the video was shocking IMO. There really do seem to be nutcases who criticises everything MM does. It is hateful and wrong. However, just because someone is targeted by nutters, does not mean that everyone else is prohibited from expressing an opinion about their actions.

I thought some things like for example the Instagram post telling the world how they were planning on resigning whilst keeping their royal positions was inappropriate. It was clearly not agreed with the Queen who is the head of the royal family. It was badly handled. Some of the Instagram posts from Sussex Royal came at very unfortunate times. This was badly handled.

Just because MM is the target of nutters online (which I usually do not read), does that mean that I not may express my opinion that some things were badly handled?

They've all for Instagram accounts. The queens grandson upset her - he's the one with the family connection so why is it all down to her?

Annie Louise: what's it to you if I want to highlight it?

I've said before that I don't think this is idle gossip, I think it has an impact. What's it to you if I wish to challenge it? More people have agreed with you, be happy!

Froq: clearly we can all interpret it differently We can and do, yes. But I don't think that makes it fair in the first place. Why should she have to face all this harassment, coat flicking/ bump touching/ furtive eye moving? And even when they step back there's no let up.

As for Ant and Dec, I've heard that before. They rub people up the wrong way, or one does more than the other (I don't mind them personally). Yet they don't get nasty press and haven't been hounded out the country. I think it's more than just an irrational dislike of Meghan and I do think being a white man will afford them more protection.

Not sure I agree with the 'no blow is too low' thing. It says quite a lot about a person who thinks that's okay.

And I'm not saying people aren't allowed an opinion. I think the opinions shared here are beyond normal criticism. People on this thread (not all) are bordering on crazy. And by 'this thread' I mean all 14/15 threads dedicated to attacking her every thought, comment or action.

@GracefulHippo

Definitely you can criticise, and your point was very clear about the Instagram message, whether I'd agree with it or not.

And you can certainly criticise people who have crazy allegations made against them on Twitter and elsewhere, it's getting more and more common

That's not the point I've made at all though. At first I thought the stuff on Twitter was bad, then I wondered if actually it was less harmful as it was so crazy. Then I realised on here that what seems crazy 'clutching at straws' allegations to one person, is a valid reason to another person. And it was interesting as crazy as that Twitter thread was, there are very similar themes with speculation on here. Unfounded claims just based on prejudice.

Kirinm, I think some opinions here go to far. But there are also voices here who defend every single thing MM has done and reiterate that this thread is horrible and nasty. As you say, not all posters are.

Rocking, maybe you have seen more of the social media stuff that I. I do believe that you are likely to get a different picture if you look at the cumulative effect of all postings.

However, for many people not on social media, the “big picture” may be less harsh on PH and MM. I read mainly the Times (I have scrolled many headlines online though as this interested me) and there are opinions, but certainly not anything close to bullying.

For me this forum has been quite light gossip and a sharing of opinions. Hopefully we can be respectful of each other and continue to do so.

In case you mean me...

defend every single thing MM has done I think I defend her and her family against most of the allegations on here, yes. I've also defended other people too, already stuff up for Camilla this morning! I think it's because while they're not my favourite people, and I'm no royalist, I don't think her and Harry have done that much wrong. Both sides could probably have handled it better. It's an archaic institution that is trying to change but not adapting that well, she's got it in the neck from the press for daring to marry a royal- racism, misogyny, the works. It's my point of view, and there's plenty of people who think the same as you here. Is it wrong to disagree?

reiterate that this thread is horrible and nasty it is though! To be fair, I always say why. Not everyone's opinion is, but those opinions have been allowed to dominate. And I don't think it's harmless chat. Not much I can do about it, but give my opinions

Thank you, @GracefulHippo! We don't agree, but that's a thoughtful post

I've said these threads are horrible and nasty and they have been. Some not all posters of course have not been very pleasant. I've reported these threads but MN think she's fair game. However, I maintain that the majority of the c14000 comments on these threads are about criticising her.

I'm also no royalist and don't really give a shit about what they're up to but I will stand up and say something when I think it is getting beyond acceptable. I'm not keen on bullying and there are certainly elements of these threads which would fall into that category - in my opinion of course :)

Sorry to shout -

@rockingchaircandle
You may have missed my post asking for the links to the two pictures, so that we can make up our own minds? Please.

Let us agree to wish them well, and hope there's a graceful way out of their current predicament to where their son will grow up in a happy houeshold, wherever it may be. Meantime, I'm giving my whole hearted support to the Queen and the senior royals, those quietly doing their duty without scandal, that is. I think the royal family are good value for money in terms of continuing a millenium of tradition, and just think of the tourism revenue they generate. Every little quaint tea house who sells scones to overseas visitors benefits as well as the big money making corporations.

For me this forum has been quite light gossip and a sharing of opinions. Hopefully we can be respectful of each other and continue to do so.

Absolutely agree with GracefulHippo on this! It really can't be easy being in Harry & Meghan's position, some of which due to their own actions, but not all of it. They are public figures and we all naturally take an interest. But time will certainly help to bring things back into some sort of equilibrium. That's my wish anyway, for what it's worth.

And even when they step back there's no let up.

When did they step back?

Ive seen more of them on their Instagram since they ‘left’ than I did of them doing royal engagements beforehand.

This is the first time I've seen pictures of MM holding her bump like that. I've never seen a woman do that before. I agree with annielouise, everything she does just comes across as contrived and posed and therefore lacking in sincerity. IMO of course.
I also don't hate her, but I'm not falling for the bs either.

Falling for the bs? What does that even mean? What is it that you think she is trying to achieve?

If I was going to have my photograph taken by 100s of photographers, I'd probably have a think about what I looked like and did. What with those photographs being used to attack me forever more by concerned people on forums.

The whole bump cradling thing was so OTT. It's one thing Kate resting a hand briefly as she's out and about, but M constantly framing her bump while on stage...absolutely posing

The way she guides Harry aswell, I've only ever seen people do that to comfort people after terrible news. I wonder if she's subconsciously using NLP. Jeremy Kyle producers would touch guests arms in the green room as they expressed feelings of anger and guilt, then before the guest went on stage the producer would touch their arm again to being back those feelings of anger and guilt so the guest would be fired up ready for the cameras

If she's comforted Harry like that when he's been talking about his feelings about the public and the press and then after an encounter she intuitively does it again, it would reinforce his negative feelings every time

Can't remember his name but the royal photographer who's known PH since he was a child said the common denominator in everything going wrong for Harry has been M. The infantilising a grown man with that hold is just so odd

Total armchair psychotherapist stuff I know. There is probably nothing to it, just another very studied move on her part

the misogynist attitudes on this thread is abhorrent, rehashing old news about "bump cradling and coat flicking" are you so desperate to bring another woman down?

kirinm you dont like these threads, that is absolutely clear. So why continue to post on them?

One could say that you are over-involved in defending someone who you are very unlikely ever to meet, in just the same way that those of us who have issues with some of her behaviour are 'over-involved'.

Soooo, who's going to start thread 15?!

kategoestoaldi The guiding - I call it The Trump Touch. Trump does it to everyone, it's a power thing.

I'm not sure that you need a Thread 15, yolofish.

Wait until something newsworthy happens and someone will surely start a thread about it.

I was once in the supermarket not long after having DS. I picked up a 5kg bag of rice and absentmindedly strolled along holding it close and rocking it and i walked in a sway (as you do). Thank god I wasnt singing to it.

In my defence - DS was the child who Would Not Sleep and I was at the hallucination stage.

I may even start a new thread myself.

Once something happens, that is....

It's been fun, mostly!

For me this forum has been quite light gossip and a sharing of opinions. Hopefully we can be respectful of each other and continue to do so.

Worth repeating..

It has been interesting reading people's viewpoints, though.