Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

How about just looking at the language. Is there any reason for the different approach here?

Yes, because those were headlines describing the accompanying photos which were completely different.

I would ask how many people at a work event would have stood with both hands on their bump in front of a large room of people, perhaps giving a presentation? Maybe once or twice but nearly all the time?
The handholding and back rubbing is another thing that’s totally unprofessional. They’re at bloody work!!

I was joking about my bump! Felt like I couldn't see over it. Sometimes I rubbed it, sometimes patted, sometimes cradled - yes, even a two handed cradle!

I think you've fallen so far down this rabbit hole, you can't see how crazy criticising the way a woman holds her bump is? Or maybe it's deliberate, I don't know? But, it's crazy. In my opinion obviously (and maybe some people not in the bubble of this thread)!

No guidelines, rocking, don't be ridiculous. Just be natural and then you won't be highlighted in the press for being unnatural.

Which photo and which unfortunate night?

Why is the way she touched her bump so offensive to you? Don't you have better things to be offended by? I touched my bump a lot. I adjusted my clothes a lot. Because she touched her bump - a perfectly natural thing to do and actually none of your business, it's used to attack her and claim that she's seeking attention? She's got a lot of attention already what with being married to a prince.

No, you didn't have a two handed cradle, rocking, no need to lie. Just give it up - Meghan is an unnatural poseur.

If I've fallen down a rabbit hole you've followed me down there

I can discuss what I like to the extent I like. You do this to posters that don't agree with you - try to make out they've got something wrong with them. It's very obvious and weakens your arguments.

If MM posing is something of nothing as per you then when keep arguing against points?

I have not come across anyone in real life who has so much to say about MM. Those who find endless things to criticise are not representative of normal people. You have a very odd fixation on her and just seem to enjoy being able to slag off someone. Are you like this in real life or is it just MM that gets your backs up?

It's not offensive to me. It's irritating as I can see what she's doing - posing. So to me, and lots of others, she's superficial and ungenuine and people don't like her because of that. She brought the criticism on herself. People can see through things like this.

She's very attention seeking. She had attention anyway but kept wanting more with her posing. What's it to you if I want to highlight it?

Kirinm is doing it too - because they don't like I've highlighted she's posing and give examples I'm the one that is fixated with her.

I'm off to work now, not fixated. These are points highlighting her personality, and they don't reflect well on her. Why do you think there has been such a backlash against her? Because people see through her and don't see her as genuine and body language is a big part of that. It's not a minor irrelevant point.

You come to conclusions based on nothing at all. She holds her bump and is therefore a poser, insincere, and whatever else it is you've decided. It's such an unpleasant take on things.

Is it just MM you hate?

I think some of the discussions here are really interesting. Personally I don’t care about the bump handing, the clothes or the nail varnish.

I do think M was either badly advised or didn’t think she needed advice, IMO probably the latter. Messages on bananas (regardless of how inoffensive) is a bad idea when giving to prostitutes as many consider bananas to be a phallic symbol. I cannot believe that palace advisors would not had discouraged it had they been asked.

The backlash is in the papers - tabloids who are part of the problem. As I said normal people in real life, not on forums don't seem to share the vitriol that is shared here. Based on that, I come to the conclusion that the people on this thread are fixated and actually just pretty unpleasant.

OMG, @annielouise did you follow me for 9 months to be so sure? I think there's laws against that

I've not attacked you. I have criticised your ideas. That hasn't been popular here, where agreement is preferred. I think people have got sucked into the Meghan-hating bubble and will find anything to justify it. Why else would you think you knew how women were allowed to touch their pregnancy bumps?!

It is perfectly possible to take against someone in the public eye for rational AND irrational reasons. That is one of the perils of being in the public eye, and you get talked about.

For eg, I absolutely loathe Ant and Dec, I think they're a pair of talentless, over-promoted and over-paid individuals. Am I allowed to think that, given that I've never met them?

Is it bitchy to say that, or is it ok because they are white men in positions of power in their industry?

Basically when you put yourself out in front of the public, for whatever reason, you have to take the rough with the smooth. And Megan got an awful lot the smooth as well as the rough.

I think a lot is based on a massive cultural clash, Sunset summed it up perfectly. Things that MM didn’t mean badly or is culturally acceptable in LA is viewed with suspicion here, hence a certain backlash.

I agree Yolo, when you put yourself in the public eye and use Instagram to promote yourself, people will for both positive and negative options. That is part of being in the public eye. It appears that MM and PH could have chosen a less public role or eased into it (I guess this is founded on the Times article, but I would be surprised if HMQ would have refused it if they asked).

This is the reason I forbid my oldest DD to use social media. I don’t want her to have to deal with any negative comments yet. There will always be someone who doesn’t like you on social media.

Agreed gracefulhippo - and part of her 'hitting the ground running' should have been a good grounding in the cultural differences and the expectations that would be put on her.

So everyone involved should take their share of 'blame' that that didnt happen - but as a mature woman who'd fought her way up in the TV business, she should also have understood that there would be adjustments to be made all round. If her eyes weren't wide open, they should have been.

@yolo if the criticism on this thread was as you described re Ant & Dec I'd agree with you. It goes above and well beyond that. There is literally nothing that she can't be criticised for. Her fathers behaviour is justified, her being bullied by PM is justified, she holds her bump for attention, she's only in it for the money, she's trying to outdo kate, she's manipulative, she's conniving. The list is fucking endless.

Cross posting

Don't group your thoughts into the countries thoughts. I don't have suspicions about her because of 'cultural' reasons. I don't have suspicions about her at all. That's you, the people on this thread and the gossip formula / trolls on twitter and nutjob conspiracy theorists.

kirinm - it's the way she holds the bump - you're in denial. I don't hate her. I don't like her, true, but there's a difference. Try not to put words in my mouth and twist things.

The tabloids are nothing to do with me. I never liked her or him or the RF. The tabloids don't form my views. I've done that from what I've seen about them and their actions, not just one paper. It's insulting to say the tabloids have made us all dislike her. Your brain might be that malleable, mine isn't.

A thread on MM and the RF is of course going to concentrate things - I've never mentioned MM in real life.

Here you go again rocking. No I haven't followed you for 9 months - where would you get them from? Seen you on this thread and whenever someone says something you don't like you do stuff like turn it around that people are fixated, down a rabbit hole etc. You did it upthread along with Rousette - laughing at people like schoolgirls.

See you're twisting things - I never said women aren't allowed to touch their bumps. It's the way she did it and there was a big difference; the photos are evidence as you can't find Kate cradling her bump top and bottom so despite you insisting their similar poses they weren't at all. Find me Kate doing that pose and I'll agree with you.

So, if her eyes weren't wide open but should've been, all of the things said about her here must be justified? She wasn't aware enough so she must be vilified for anything and everything she does.

Makes sense.

@rockingchaircandle
You may have missed my post asking for the links to the two pictures, so that we can make up our own minds? Please.

Well I guess if you put yourself out there on instagram, you upset the Queen, cause a major kerfuffle, and people decide they dont like you, then you've opened a floodgate after which no blow is too low.

For the record, I think M is such a beautiful woman, everyone seemed to have very high hopes for her and H around the wedding, and now its all gone tits up some of them are blaming her directly. I dont know whether thats misogyny, racism, anti-Americanism - for some people perhaps a combination of all of them.

I just think they've both been bloody stupid, they didnt need to do it this way and open themselves up to MORE criticism.