Harry & Meghan 14

[yolofish]

A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

It's only on this/these threads that it's been mooted as rude as far as I know. Everyone else seems to use @ !

*rockingchaircandle
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No, not my opinion I was quoting my Granny who often used an old fashioned phrase "affected little thing" I am fine with Meghan playing to the cameras, but I understand others may find it irritating, she is an incredibly pretty woman and her behaviour is in line with other celebrity/actress/intagrammers/wannabes.

I’ve stopped using @. I didn’t know it was rude until recently.

It depends how it's used, Sunset, by whom and for what purpose. But like you, I have stopped using it. I address my comments to the thread, wherever possible, rather than singling out individuals.

LaMarschallin the banana photo was taken from the Mirror, I think, who had it credited to one of the charity workers.

How are you so sure they’re not Meg’s bananas?

I agree that there's no reason they shouldn't come back.

I thought the main thing was that they didn't want the constraint of royal duties?

They don't have to do them!

And as for the coat flicking video, clearly we can all interpret it differently.

I see it as her checking the paps positioning then angling herself and adjusting her coat to her the right bump shot.

Thanks Outwith. Also, Sunset summed up what I mean that it felt very "and we did something too you know". I just didn't think it the day to do it; just my opinion, others don't agree and that's fine.

There are a few clips of the coat flicking during visits. Especially at the start of a visit when MM is being introduced to someone when she should be concentrating on her job at the time. She seemed more concerned about the photo opportunity.

Same with this photo when she's presenting at the British fashion awards, she had to make herself the focus of attention. There are many photos of that night of her in this pose and the girly giggle behind the hand pose. She's very affected, doesn't realise natural would be so much better. I think Kate used to do things too - like allowing her skirts to blow up but not to the extent of Meghan. Both attention seekers imo but Kate changed and wasn't so blatent.

www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/meghan-markle-cradles-baby-bump-in-chic-asymmetric-gown-for-surprise-appearance-at-british-fashion-awards-37614274.html

Everyone forms their own opinions but it's always worth wondering why.

I can't fathom how another woman's pregnancy and bump could possibly have anything to do with me. But the analysis in the newspapers show both Kate and Meghan had very different coverage of their pregnancies. Wonder why?

@SunsetBoulevard3 do you feel the same about Kate's pregnancy?

The Mirror story is another 'sources close to the palace' story. Might be a bit soon for rejoicing if you're waiting for them to fail!

Why would sources close to the palace start talking about this now? Nobody else in that family they want to distract us from?!

I don’t think Kate has ever been attention seeking actually. I suspect she’s naturally quite shy and reserved.
Meghan is an only child who has been the devoted focus of both parents attention. That also plays a part.

"But the analysis in the newspapers show both Kate and Meghan had very different coverage of their pregnancies. Wonder why?"

Well obviously as Kate didn't over-egg it and wasn't seen as posing to the extent that Meghan was, which is clear in all the photos available. Can you image Kate doing the top and bottom cradle? Or are you going back to the point that it is racist? I agree Meghan was not liked but she is undoubtedly a poser which makes her seem superficial and she's disliked by me because of that.

Kate did do that catwalk thing at university in a sheer dress though sunset so I don't think she's that shy.

As an only child my boyfriend fits that profile. He'd fall in the reserved (not shy) and not attention seeking category. I don't think your parents have much to do with it.

Kate also was pictured in the papers holding her bump with very different headlines to Meghan. Like you, the headlines only saw one woman as attention seeking, despite the similar poses. Why is that do you think? @Sunset ?

Kate wasn't "holding" her bump though, touching it yes, cradling it no. It was fairly natural, more like a pat, rather than a full-on holding like Meghan - they were not similar poses at all. It could therefore be construed as being more natural rather than a conscious, studied pose. Totally different.

Lord and Lady Frederick Windsor - Sophie Winkleman - provide a template for how 'minor' royals might organise their lives. They have normal jobs yet appear at posh weddings/royal occasions and do charity stuff. Sophie has continued to pursue acting with little fanfare - and survived media references to a racy scene shot early in her career.

A potential model for Harry and Meghan should they come 'home'?

@annielouise

Cross-post! Yes, I'm going back to the coverage of the two women, and how different it was. I don't think it's as simple as one is a poser/ one is why and reserved.

I did cradle my bump, top and bottom- it got huge and I think I was probably subconsciously shift it it of the way. I can't see why it's so offensive?

But in the newspaper article comparisons, they were in almost identical poses but got very different reactions.

If Kate had been presenting awards on stage and had stood with her arms top and bottom cradling her bump she would have been mentioned too in the press for the same thing - attention seeking. She was working, it was not about her, you don't make it about yourself when working as it's work. You don't have to draw attention to yourself like that. Just be more natural. It would have helped her with the press and the public.

"Yes, I'm going back to the coverage of the two women, and how different it was."

It was different as the poses were different. One more natural, one more studied so it was seen as attention seeking.

"I did cradle my bump, top and bottom- it got huge and I think I was probably subconsciously shift it it of the way. I can't see why it's so offensive?"

Oh please, you're scraping the barrel now. Were you on stage presenting awards as part of your job with cameras all around? I bet you're going to come back now and say yes

Meghan was not doing it subconsciously.

They're not almost identical poses at all. Kate did the odd pat, Meghan was on stage working concentrating on the photo opportunity.

In fairness, you have to say that the way Meghan was holding her bump was a little strange. Even the most avid fans of her must admit that. Personally I've never witnessed a woman do that.

Can you find me a photo of Kate doing the top and bottom cradling pose, please, if you're saying they were almost identical poses.

even using American spelling in her Instagram.

Hold the front page, an American uses American spellings. Have you not got anything better to do ?

@annielouise that is some very detailed analysis! How did you learn the rules? I think I strayed over the 'casual pat' many times in those 9 months. If only they would publish the official guide on what women can do with their own body so we could all learn to avoid suspicion of posing/being superficial.

How about just looking at the language. Is there any reason for the different approach here?

"March 2018: “Not long to go! Pregnant Kate tenderly cradles her baby bump while wrapping up her royal duties ahead of maternity leave — and William confirms she’s due ‘any day now’”

"Jan. 2019: “Why can’t Meghan Markle keep her hands off her bump? Experts tackle the question that has got the nation talking: Is it pride, vanity, acting — or a new age bonding technique?”

( Https:www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/british-headline-comparisons-between-meghan-markle-and-kate-middleton-explain-why-meghan-quit-the-royal-family.html Referenced as DM)

I remember BP pulling a photo from that unfortunate night

@rockingchaircandle
Can you link to the two photos that those quotes are referring to please?