Harry & Meghan 14

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A thread for those who wish to discuss what's in the news and what your take on it is.

If you want to continue with the character assassinations then I suggest you look more closely at Queen Victoria.

I suggest you look more closely at Queen Victoria.

True story.

Although, the videos of her were edited to absolute fuck.

Insomnia is shit, @LaMarchallin you have my sympathies and thanks for the video. ( at editing!)

@GoFiguire

So, in the video, she's certifiable because she adjusts her coat while clapping? She's pretty good at clothes, wouldn't she just wear a coat that she could style open? I can't understand how women can be so interested in what other women do with their hands?

@GoFiguire I don't want any character assassinations there's some vile stuff on here. I am interested in Queen Victoria though, do you mean in terms of potential affairs?

annielouise I have some sympathy for the point you were making upthread about Prince William's Holocaust Memorial speech. If I heard the whole speech correctly, and I recognise it might have been clipped, then I do feel it was unfortunate that he didn't make it clear that the experiences of Princess Alice were only the lens through which the Royal Family remembered the Holocaust. His remarks could have been couched within a broader message of remembering all the Jews who had suffered with great fortitude and bravery, those who had died and those who had survived but were immeasurably altered by their experiences. And then remembered those who had offered help and the Princess's undoubted courage.

The emphasis did seem to be a bit wrong to me too.

On the other hand, I thought the portraits of survivors and their grandchildren created by the Duchess of Cambridge were wonderful and a fitting tribute. I was also impressed by the thoughtful remarks she made about the survivors, more reflective and interesting than I am used to from her.

Anyway back to Meghan and Harry!

Sorry, I've over @'d- please ignore the first @ Gofiguire the middle paragraph is not meant for anyone, just general comment!

I've watched that video again, I can't see anything even a little bit furtive? That Twitter account is full on obsessed with H&M, and there's a lot of crossover with themes in this thread.

I too am guilty of using the @ symbol, I was quite proud I had finally mastered use of it, alas, this thread now informs me I am rude and must learn to use bold instead!

Meghan Markle is so pretty, very captivating but she is what my Granny would have called an "affected little thing" she knows how to flutter her eyelashes and flash her smile ...and her bump, none of which are a crime but the whole world is watching. Looking at some of the the videos, the spider and fly apology spring to mind.

To be honest, I am not that bothered about the flicking. I was very uncomfortable when I was pregnant and found it hard with any clothes. I cannot imagine being photographed at that point and it could be that she just wanted to look good in the photos (which would be splashed everywhere).

It could also be that she had planned the outfit very well, wanted it to fit “just so” (being photographed) and nothing ever for “just so” when you are pregnant, so was trying to constantly adjust....

@Alwayscheerful
I know your tone is light-hearted and you're not being deliberately inflammatory but I think this attitude is rooted in misogyny.

Calling Meghan an "affected little thing" and likening her to a spider in a web. I know you say "none of this a crime" but it is accusatory.

The Bananas were actually never sent out , according to and article in Tatler .
And all they said is "you are strong, you are loved"

I remember seeing the look on Harry’s face as Meghan was Talking about writing affirmations on bananas , it was like "Don’t do it"!

think she probably thought later on in the car what did I just do?
The note thing was not a bad idea ,if it was written on a small post it , it would have been a better idea.
I think because one of her first hints of her and Harry as a couple was an Instagram post of two bananas spooning. People were bound to make a somewhat inappropriate connection.

Sometimes I bold a name. Sometimes I @ a name. Sometimes (if I post straight after a comment I want to post about) I do nothing and just post. Surely it doesn't matter does it?

Quite Rousette

Anyway I’m not keen on MMs behaviour or Harry’s & especially Andrew’s. But even I can see she was proud to be pregnant. I used to use my bump for resting my tea mug on. I’m sure people thought I was weird. Luckily there was no social media then as I’m fairly old.

Just read the Mirror story about Harry and Meghan being offered the chance to return to the UK without doing Royal duties. Clever offer.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/senior-royals-makes-plans-return-21363419

That was in the Sunday Times at the weekend. It’s a good idea if it works.

Is there a reason that not doing Royal duties would automatically mean living abroad?

I wouldn't have thought so-but I guess it depends on if their money making plans would work in UK?

Guess you can do Insta posts from anywhere. They had originally talked about splitting their time between UK and North America so could revert to that and still spend some time over there, but come back to Frogmore to get a break from the intrusive press (oh the irony)

The press intrusion seems different for them depending on where they are.

Physically, paparazzi photographers being the problem abroad.

While in the UK it's the abusive reporting. Horrible choice to have to make, hopefully they'll find a peaceful way for their family.

No reason, their privacy would have been better protected living in the UK , if privacy was the main reason for moving to another country, and more stable for them as a young family.
No idea what they are planing on doing .it seems ill planned and just all over the place.
Can’t imagine living in someone else’s house for close to three months.

The banana affirmations were fine. Honestly, who gives a shit if they went out or not. It's all of this stuff that I wasnt even aware at the time there were "discussions" about online.

I agree that the speech last night seemed a little off kilter. It was good to include the reference to Princess Alice but it felt very ‘ and we did something too you know’. I got the impression William felt a bit out of his comfort zone with it all. Kate on the other hand seemed very empathetic and engaged. I loved her photos.
I do think it was strange that M and H chose to post about Australia Day rather than the Holocaust, both could have been mentioned.

Looking at both sides of the pro and anti Meghan debate, I think what a lot of people feel is that Meghan just doesn’t in many peoples opinion come across as genuine. Her training has been to look for the camera and maximise every photo op for best advantage to her. This was the way she operated before getting married. It’s what actresses do, particularly in the States where celebrity culture is more of a thing than it is here.
The idea that she had to switch overnight to a completely different modus operandi didn’t seem to sink in with her. The focus in the RF is always in HM or the senior member of in a group. Harry is born into the family, yet from the start she seemed to dominate him, to the point of pushing past him or leaving him trailing behind her. She gave the impression she always wanted the limelight and the focus on herself. It was an instinct with her, a survival instinct.
So when she was pregnant it was ‘look at me, look at my bump, I’m pregnant don’t you know! It just seemed grating and attention seeking and a bit immature.
The dislike of her on my part is purely down to the fact I feel she is constantly playing to the cameras and seeking attention for herself.
She never seemed to be much interested in this country and all her references were to American culture, even using American spelling in her Instagram. This made it clear that much of the time, if not all, it was her posting, not Harry. Likewise his speeches which were obviously co written by her.
There wasn’t much sense she was trying to learn from others or defer at all. It came across as arrogant.
I wonder if there have been rumblings of discontent from Canada, and the press are getting wind of some discussion about a return. The whole thing has been completely mismanaged and a mess. They just bolted in a sulk and I imagine reality is now staring them in the face. If M was isolated in the UK she must feel even more so in Canada on a remote island. Her friends have careers and lives and her mother presumably wants to get on with her life in LA. The six week break was a holiday. It’s now permanent. I think they thought they could have their cake and eat it so now I imagine they are in disarray.
If they did come back and not perform duties but just live on the tax payer that won’t go down well with the public either.
They’ve really put themselves in the proverbial it seems.

Agree with your post 100% @SunsetBoulevard3. Good summary.

I've used @ there because our was easier and I don't know if you are someone who is irritated by it. Apologies if so. Personally I like the convenience of it and don't mind it.

I also think putting themselves outside the RF has encouraged her father to think he can now really go to town on them to get what he wants. He thinks they’re weak and a target now.

I’ve stopped using @. I didn’t know it was rude until recently.

At one point didn't Harry say that he wanted to marry a celeb as they would be able to cope with the press?

Of course someone who seeks the limelight is entirely different to someone who is maybe in the public eye & can cope!

They won't want to come back but they may have to. I don't see any harm in the RF offering them a safe haven and a warm embrace. It's what any loving family would do.

That doesn't mean they should return to public life or be funded by the tax payer, and I hope they both realise that. Many people have had to endure terrible life experiences and carry on with the day job. The option of months on a luxury paid holiday wasn't available to them. I think there would be deep public resentment if they tried to carry on as though nothing had happened.

I also can't believe there is any way back for Harry with the Services. He's well and truly burned those boats.

Also agree 100% with your post Sunset

I’m not sure how a return will really work though, they’ve not painted themselves in the best light and I would hope they put their hands up and acknowledge this mess was of their own making by refusing to be patient and take advice