Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan?

[DaveCoaches]

Just seeing if there’s any interest. I think they have their faults but I think this may turn out to be a good thing long term. Anyone want to join in?

Everywhere I go on Twitter right now I'm seeing Comparisons being drawn of the way the media have incited hatred towards Meghan and the way CF was hounded.

It's very inconvenient for PM. Not only do Harry and Meghan look happy and relaxed in their new life, but SM are currently turning their scrutiny on him and his obsession with MM.

@Encyclo thats good. if something good can come out of a terrible thing. PM needs reigning in.

Big time Samcro: it's very telling that when the subject of online bullying and media hounding comes up, everyone immediately thinks of Meghan.

I do think PM should just be sacked. How can ITV have someone on prime time tv who seems obsessed with MM. A man in his 50s constantly attacking a woman of colour, who has recently had a baby, should not be allowed.

It's interesting how people are conflating the treatment of Meghan in the media and online with the suicide of CF.

I was aware of the tabloid treatment of Meghan (how could I not be?) but not aware of that on Caroline Flack? Was this because the treatment of Flack was on social media and not the mainstream press?

The media have been writing hit pieces on CF for years, mostly around her love life. She really became a tabloid target after her arrest in December.

The Sun have taken down a mocking piece about her from yesterday and replaced it with a sombre report.

Here is just a selection of vile Piers attacks on MM.

That is really quite shocking.

So then Harry and Meghan, tell me why you left the UK? 🤔

Seems Hamish has left Dancing on Ice because of "a source" and media lies
www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51524125
Where does it all end, who can blame H&M getting away from the toxicity

It's the Colllesium again. We're like Romans baying for blood.

Finally Mumsnet acknowledge the nastiness of the previous threads. Shame it took a death to prompt them. I repeatedly reported the threads but was told it was in the news so that made MM fair game.

Kirinm we can't discuss deleted threads .Though we might be able to discuss MN moderation in general .

I know nothing about being a moderator ,or providing moderation ,so perhaps my expectations are too high .

Responses to me have made me wonder how reported posts are looked at .
I think they must just skim read ,see the posters name and if it's a lively thread ( rather than an isolated report ) make a knee jerk decision which is influenced more by the individual moderator's view
of the person reporting than the content of the post .

I get that people enjoy gossip buy certain topics and individuals seem to attract a very nasty snide type of gossip. Just being in the news shouldn't mean that a person should be allowed to be repeatedly attacked. There should also be consistency in moderating comments or threads. The insta mum threads were removed once instamums started complaining but for those people who will never complain, the threads stand?

I was reading a post yesterday from Twitter I think that said family's who are grieving inevitably end up googling and will see posts on forums. Maybe that should be considered when moderating.

I’m not always a fan of MM, but I thought it surprising that Kate had a podcast that touched on pregnancy and mental health, but I never got the impression she was supportive of her SIL at all.

They don’t have to be best friends, but I think more public support would have gone a long way (though in fairness, William might have got in the way of it)

You never know what goes on in families, but I would have liked to have seen more public support from the RF regarding the media onslaught against Meghan. I guess that it's difficult for them because they have to accommodate the media, and media support for the institution as a whole is a factor in preserving its existence, but as a non-Brit looking at it from outside, it just seems that the RF should have done more to support Meghan and Harry publicly.

just seems that the RF should have done more to support Meghan and Harry publicly.

I agree with this.

I don't think any particular onus should be on Kate. She has plenty on her own plate and shouldn't feel pressure to get on with Meghan if it doesn't come naturally.

However, the royals as a whole should have stepped up. It clearly suited the firm to have the heat on H&M as a distraction from much more serious issues going on. But I'd find that very hard to forgive if I were them. Shitty to make the new recruit the fall guy.

Can I ask the previous two posters what is it that you think that the RF should have done that they did not do. Does anyone outside of the family actually know what support was given/offered to them?

I would have agreed until v recently Seneca but I see now from some posters on MN how great the appetite and creativity for twisting the most innocent of reports .

So I think the policy of keeping stumm is probably a wise one for the RF to adopt .I'm hoping that in private H&M got support .

I noticed that in Kate's podcast she said " we all have good days ,bad days " ,mirroring Harry's comment on his relationship with William .

Maybe it's those circles but I'd have thought the more common use would be "we all have good and bad days" so that stood out for me .

what is it that you think that the RF should have done that they did not do

Something like ...

Strong statements to the DM to stop printing lies about them

Statement of support for the lawsuits that they took out against the DM

A statement to express distaste of Piers Morgan's hate filled campaign against Meghan

A statement to clarify that Meghan didn't break royal 'protocol' on all the many different times she was accused of doing so, because no such protocol existed.

meercat23

Sort of along the lines of what LaurieMarlow just posted, but as I said, I'm not British (I'm American); I have lived in the UK, but it was a long time ago. But I do know that the media landscape is very different in the UK, and I think that after the way that the media fueled antagonism against the Queen and the RF after Diana's death, they are likely very careful about what they say publicly. So I don't necessarily fault them, but I do wish there had been some public statement to back up the one that Harry gave.

Yes I can see that they could have done that. The never complain, never explain strategy doesn't work well when the media is in full cry. Doing as you suggest might have made H&M feel more supported but I doubt very much if it would have changed the behaviour of the media. Nothing much seems to do so.

I don't think it had to have been anything formal. Something as simple as Kate or William holding Archie at the polo would've gone a long way.

I think M&H did the right thing. he is 6th (I think) in line to the throne. his child Like him will grow up thinking he is less than his cousin. not a good start for any child.
add in Meghan will always be seen as second best to Kate......its all so unhealthy.

Unhealthy? It’s the reality. What is “unhealthy” about reality, in this context?

One of the things that seems to have been difficult for e.g Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew and possibly now Prince Harry is to have been brought up as second in line and therefore very close to the centre of importance and then to find that as the years go by and the first in line marries and has children that they slip further and further away from that centre of importance.

I am not sure that Archie would ever have had quite such a stark experience as he has never been second in line, but it would certainly make sense to think more carefully about this for future generations. The second and subsequent child is more than just a side kick for the heir.

I would like to think that in private K&W were supporting H&M. Publicly we didn't see much from any of the RF and I hate to say it but it was certainly convenient for PA wasn't it...