Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan?

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Just seeing if there’s any interest. I think they have their faults but I think this may turn out to be a good thing long term. Anyone want to join in?

Bah! Should be bold on first para

Wrong thread

The notion that just because they have left royal duties they need to be not seen and not heard is just daft.

Whether they want it or not they are still well known people. It will be excellent for their wellbeing to be able to do work they enjoy and support charities that they want to work with without obligation to a wider institution.

Who wouldn't want that. I hope they very much use their platform to continue supporting causes that mean something to them. And I don't really care if they also make some money. Good luck to them.

Have they given up any of their patronages other than the military ones Harry had? I haven't heard that Meghan is stepping down from the National Theatre or Smartworks and I know they're keeping their Commonwealth role.

Thanks Rousette, all is mostly peaceful now. We're still unwinding the mental mess it left behind though! Luckily for us the family members involved in the business weren't the people responsible for the abuse - and they supported us even when they didn't understand and even though we've kept a lot of the details to ourselves.

What the whole experience taught me is that there's usually so much more to any given situation than what appears on the surface, so it pays not to judge or assume that you know what the "right" course of action would be. Certainly with H&M there's room for discussion on the current and future role of the monarchy, and the costs and benefits to the public of the institution, but that's not really what I'm seeing. It does seem there are a lot of people waiting and hoping for the worst, and I just don't get that mentality.

i will miss this thread when its finished, its so nice to see normal chat about these 2 people. not always love, but no online bullying.
one thing i wonder is will not having the HRH make much difference. as Harry will always be a prince.
I still think sadly they made right choice.
something I read to day made me think what it would be like for them if they stayed. say Archie has a tantrum or is cheeky....imagine the hate M would get (unlike Kate who is called a lovely mum) i could be wrong but I doubt it.

Yes @Samcro, remember when Charlotte stuck her tongue out at reporters? It was all "oh how cute she is" but if it had been Archie then it would've been a stick with which to beat Meghan.

Likewise when the DoC was pictured grinning widely at the Holocaust Remembrance Day commemorations the other day, I'm sure it would've been spun into "Mirthful Meghan LAUGHS at concentration camp survivors" by the tabloids. Not that I think for a moment the DoC was making light of anything - she was probably just smiling at people she greeted - but had she not been flavour of the month with the Mail etc then it could've turned out differently.

Oh this is all so true. And despite others thinking they did all this too quickly, I am sure H&M could foretell that it was really not going to get better. I mean... little Archie has had criticism on here when he was first shown to the public, so what it is like 'out there' I dread to think.

Can you imagine just praying that your toddler doesn't do anything wrong because of the vitriol you're going to receive. And yes... on Charlottle sticking out her tongue, it was OK for her, it was OK for Harry when he was little.... but the Meghan factor means it would never be OK for Archie.

Probably not relevant, but I know what it is like to be compared to a very close in age hugely intelligent perfect sibling, it's pretty soul destroying, maybe there's an element of that with Kate being so perfect and Meghan feeling she could never compare.

What the whole experience taught me is that there's usually so much more to any given situation than what appears on the surface, so it pays not to judge or assume that you know what the "right" course of action would be.

Nerfballs This is so true. Your post about leaving a toxic work situation really resonated with me for personal reasons. I think that anyone who has been through something like that, if they just stop and think about it in terms of what Meghan and Harry might have experienced that we don't know about (and we do know plenty as it is), they might have a bit more sympathy for them.

RoussetteI agree with your statement about Kate versus Meghan.I have the feeling she is deliberately being promoted as Goody Two Shoes and ever so perfect human being against Meghan.
The Daily Wail writes stories in such a way to invite nasty comments

I admit I do roll my eyes when I see posters on MN rave about how perfect Kate is and how she's such an asset to the royals and deserves lots of new dresses etc etc. I'm sure she's nice enough and cares about her causes but it's all spin!

Her garden and the appearance on the Mary Berry show were received very positively but that's only because she's in the media's good books and they didn't decide to twist it all to paint her in a bad light.

They could just as easily have said she was being attention-seeking and what did she know about gardening etc etc, which they certainly would have if it had been Meghan doing those things.

Yes, I think Kate has to toe the line as far as the media's concerned. Give out the kids birthday pictures, first day at school, smile at the cameras and life media-wise will be tolerable. There has to be a scapegoat and it's MM, not Kate.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kate does a brilliant job and is a perfect future Queen... she's just a bit vapid and boring. I just wish she'd wear something a bit more exciting occasionally for instance... she dresses 20 years older than she is. I am pretty sure also she's a thoroughly nice person too. I don't think anyone coming into the RF could live up to her to be honest.

I sometimes think Kate purposefully wears these kind of dated 50s or 70s silhouettes to make people think of some good old time when the royal family was considered less of a joke. But she probably just doesn't have a very good sense of style so sticks with what she thinks are classics. Which I sympathise, my own sense of style is pretty bad too.

But Meghan's style also wasn't that great since joining the royals, so perhaps there is some sort of palace pressure on prominent royal women to dress more conservatively/beige.

Yes I feel a bit sad when everyone points out how perfect Kate is, it’s like well she’s moulded her entire life and self to be the “right” person. Ok she seems happy but it seems sad that a woman has to do that in order to be accepted. That’s more a criticism of the system rather than Kate btw.

Yes. I do think Kate can look fabulous, sometimes... but the pussy bow, frilled below the knee dresses are a bit Stepford wife!

But she has that role to play and it suits her perfectly.

Kate has got great style. She has a huge following and obviously she’s going to choose classic outfits because she’s the future kings wife and these pictures are going to be looked at forever.

Megan’s style now isn’t beige in fact I think it’s more suitable considering she would be a reflection of the family she has married into

Has everyone forgotten how vilified Kate was, even if not as much as Meghan?

I don’t think “Waity Katie” and “doors to manual” are comparable with the sustained campaign of abuse Meghan has got from the tabloids.

Yes, but also a far cry from "how perfect Kate is". It's a very recent thing.

i think W & K come across as a bit work shy. not helped by the haters saying they will have to do more because H&M have left.
imagine if P&M Had done a tv show like they did with merry berry (I always call her that) or the garden stuff.

can anyone explain the 5 question thing Kate is doing please. my kids are adults so have no idea.

you can google it samcro its just questions about what you think are the key points in children's lives.

FTR, I think Kate has done a bloody good job in very hard circumstances. I suspect she and W know they have to conform, because if they want to make changes it needs to come from within, gently gently.

How can you turn around an institution with 1000 years of history behind it in 5 minutes? Answer is you cant, you go about it gently, and you make compromises along the way. As my DM used to say, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar".

No one in any form of business likes a new broom, that was H&M main mistake IMO - trying to do too much too soon.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51316000

"As my DM used to say, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"."

"And you catch even more with dung, what's your point?" as Sheldon Cooper used to say (TBBT)

totes hilaire glacinda...

The point is, why do things the hard way? H&M could have done a bloody good job from inside the RF if they had not made so many waves so early on. Instead they appear to have chosen to throw a hissy fit and burn a lot of bridges.