Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan?

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Just seeing if there’s any interest. I think they have their faults but I think this may turn out to be a good thing long term. Anyone want to join in?

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The gullibility is what gets me. Especially when, after the media print lie after lie, people start to say "no smoke without fire".

I think some people are gullible because they want to be. The fabrications are tailored to confirm their readers' prejudices. They love to have a villain to get outraged about, whip themselves and each other into a frenzy about a non-story or lie. Then the "story" gets picked up by some TV programme which amplifies it, and the cycle continues.

I absolutely agree that the press are pushing at an open door in many cases. And the lies get clicks.

However they shouldn’t be allowed to feed people’s worst impulses. Other industries have responsibilities to adhere to beyond just making money. Why don’t they?

As the Rusbridger article makes clear, they’re beyond the law let alone common decency. It’s appalling.

I didn't realise this thread existed. I've only seen the vitriolic threads which I've reported repeatedly to no avail.

I personally don't care that much about the Royal Family but I do think MM gets a huge amount of unfounded abuse. The "conclusions" reached by people on the threads which they argue have come from pictures they've seen, their instagram posts and anywhere but the papers, twitter or gossip forums, are verging on crazy in some cases.

PM is disgusting and I can't believe he is given a platform to spout his bile.

You will never ever ever see unflattering info about a media owner or their family. It's annoying that there's 'leaks' daily about anyone they've decided to target butnot a squeak about them. You'd think someone would take a sneaky pic of say, a young fMily member partying, but no nowt nada EVER - baxxxcxs

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It is absolutely staggering to hear Piers and co. bleating about keeping people like H&M ‘accountable’ (for what, bump touching?) while they have no accountability at all themselves.

Dropping Leveson was a disgrace.

Hey guys, just thought I'd wave hello and thanks for the thread I'm opposite timezone so find it difficult to engage properly on MN but lurk a lot. It's good to see some push back to the online bullying trend. I tried engaging in the others but between different timezones and the aggressive one-way narrative being pushed I just couldn't be bothered after a while. Also realised it touched some nerves for me personally and was getting rather angry so hopped off. Recognised you Rousette from the Trump threads though, and appreciated yours and others posts trying to bring a measure of balance and fairness. You did what I was probably too emotional / hormonal to do properly. It's a shame it falls on deaf ears, but there's definitely a market for the red tops and we're unfortunately seeing why. Psychologically fascinating but depressing too.

What I really don't get is the seeming disconnect between the "fair game" attitude towards ripping apart people in the public eye, and what we expect in real life towards ourselves and our kids. Any bully I've ever known has though their target "deserved it" and was fair game. And even though these threads will probably not make their way to H&M, they contribute to a culture that says this is an ok way to treat people you don't like for whatever reasons you want (true, false or even no reason at all). And it filters right through society, to ourselves and our kids. How we can expect our children to act better than we as adults do is beyond me.

What I really don't get is the seeming disconnect between the "fair game" attitude towards ripping apart people in the public eye, and what we expect in real life towards ourselves and our kids

This is really well put and a big part of what bothers me too.

There’s no acknowledgment that this is a real person. And that no amount of money makes them immune to human feelings. I wonder how the bashers would feel if the same treatment was dealt back to them?

There’s a really toxic undertone that seems to believe that, because of the 80p a year or whatever, H&M should be their plaything. Someone to hurl abuse at, with no thought to the human cost of that.

It’s a terrible dynamic for all concerned. And a strong reason in and of itself to disband the whole thing.

Excellent post, Nerfballs.

Excellent post Nerfballs. I agree, and there's a genuine belief that they aren't bashing MM but merely engaging in lighthearted banter.

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Thanks everyone I agree it just seems like a terrible dynamic for everyone and so any way of challenging or changing the status quo - especially the open-slather abuse - I'm for. I hope they find a positive way forward for themselves and for Archie, if for nothing other than the fact that they're fellow human beings who deserve a chance to be happy and live their lives the way they see fit same as anyone else. I realise they have a lot of privilege but money isn't everything especially when it's at the expense of personal agency, mental health and having your every move scrutinised and twisted to fit the worst possible narrative.

I think I sympathize with H&M because DH and I had a situation where we were in a really toxic work environment, in a family-firm type thing. Us leaving definitely ruffled some feathers, and some people think the worst of us for it (there were so many elements to our exit and some of it has stated between just us and our counsellors). But, it was definitely the right decision. By the time we called it quits DH was severely depressed and suicidal, and it's a serious possibility that he would no longer be here if we had stayed. I would and did fight tooth and nail for the health of DH and our kids. No idea if H&M are nice people or not but that has no bearing on my expectations of my own behaviour. I don't think anyone should have to earn being treated as a human being with basic decency and kindness.

Personally I think fair play to them if they want a normal family life and to step out of the spotlight. However I do think an Instagram account that's being updated possibly isn't the way to move out of the public eye. Yes, it's a popular thing these days but why post one unless it's to 'update fans', which kind of flys in the face of a quiet life. To my mind you're either choosing to be in the media or not.

I don't think they have expressed a desire to have a completely private life, but rather a different kind of public role. I think the transition is going to be difficult and rocky, but I wish them well.

But what 'public role'? I'm not saying that to be goady, but essentially Meghan is a non working/retired actress?, and Harry is now a non working royal? So, basically they've made the choice to step down from the public eye? Yes, they may be prepping to start up a charitable enterprise, but on what basis? Presumably Harry's former HRH name? Which is brilliant if they can raise funds/publicity on the basis of that.

Let us remember the OP is a happy for. There are unfortunately plenty of threads to post otherwise.

I have only just noticed that we have been moved over next door to the problem neighbours on the dark side!

To my mind you're either choosing to be in the media or not
Hmmm, I don't agree - you'd have to be a hermit to guarantee no mention, people get picked on for headline fodder whoever they are.

I think the British tabloid media are poisonous and are responsible for the brexshit situation we're in now in addition to some of the disgusting behaviour spying on people's phones etc. I don't buy or read them so have no opinion about H& Ms plans.

I don’t see why they shouldn’t have an Instagram account. The world and his dog has an Instagram.

Yes, they may be prepping to start up a charitable enterprise, but on what basis? Presumably Harry's former HRH name?

They’re both high profile individuals. I don’t think anyone outside the UK gives a shit what title they are or aren’t using.

Yes, they may be prepping to start up a charitable enterprise, but on what basis?

For MM, probably on the basis of the charitable work she was doing (and is still doing ) before she met Hart.

I am happy for Meghan that she is a woman not just with some passionate social issues beliefs but that she also does something with them through her engagement with charitable work

I hope they find a positive way forward for themselves and for Archie, if for nothing other than the fact that they're fellow human beings who deserve a chance to be happy and live their lives the way they see fit same as anyone else. I realise they have a lot of privilege but money isn't everything especially when it's at the expense of personal agency, mental health and having your every move scrutinised and twisted to fit the worst possible narrative

Hi Nerballs Well, it does make a change from Trump!

So agree with all your posts especially above. The thing is, I think there are people who are hoping the worst for H&M. They hope it will fail, they are endlessly picking over every single thing they can find online from the worst sites in some cases, to bring it to a thread with a "See! Look how awful they are"

As someone said... I don't know them, but I tend to look at the positives not the negatives. I do that with people in RL too. Unless someone deliberately affects my life or that of my family, I give them the benefit of the doubt because I'm too old to start making enemies. (Nerf you do have an insight from a family situation, do hope it's all peaceful now).
I suppose I find it easy to walk away. However, in this case, I feel someone has to stick up for them and I've always had a strong sense of justice/injustice, hence me posting on the other threads. I think H&M are picked on when they aren't even doing anything!

HelgaHere
You will never ever ever see unflattering info about a media owner or their family. It's annoying that there's 'leaks' daily about anyone they've decided to target butnot a squeak about them. You'd think someone would take a sneaky pic of say, a young fMily member partying, but no nowt nada EVER
So agree with this.