To find the royal family fascinating part 3

[BishopBrennansArse]

Don’t use it yet just putting it here ready for when part 2 runs out....

I read at the time that all the "we'll see" stuff at the time of Charles and Camilla's wedding was just to stop the public making a fuss.

The wife of the King is the Queen. End of story. It doesn't matter if she is divorced, she is the Queen and that's that.

All the talk about morganatic marriage etc with Edward and Mrs Simpson thing was because he wasn't going to be allowed to marry her. Had he married her without abdicating Wallis would have been Queen as well. (I don't know whether they had register offices in those days, but it would not have been possible to marry in a church and I could imagine a registrar might not have dared marry them.) The difficulty back then was that presumably they thought it would be an end to the monarchy if the King married a divorcee. That was then - maybe it would have been the end of the monarchy . . . but it won't be now.

TracyBeakerSoYeah

If 'The Tudors' (TV show) is to be believed he also had someone to help him have a wank

MagicKingdomDizzy
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TBF this is the 5th thread......

Iamnotagoddess

Very true. I don't know who started the original thread. I don't think that one was deleted, but we really should thank them!

summerof68 I think that was tongue in cheek, along the lines of the “we ❤️ Meghan” posts.

summerof68

Definitely tongue in cheek!

We throw those comments in every so often so MMs lackeys don't get the thread deleted!

I ♥ Meghan BTW

I took 'we'll see' to be 'well I'm saying no now, but when the time comes I will stamp my feet and try and make her Queen'
Maybe though it actually means 'oh shit no because we're not legally married'!

BTW you asked on the last thread if Charles's investiture was the first in centuries. Not quite ... Lloyd George revived it in 1911 for Edward VIII, largely as a political stunt

I could imagine a registrar might not have dared marry (Edward and Mrs Simpson)

Maybe not, but a Darlington CofE clergyman by the name of Robert Jardine did ... and goodness only knows how he squared THAT with his bishop!!

Ah - just seen that conducting Edward and Wallis's ceremony cost the Rev Jardine his job:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anderson_Jardine

Let's just hope the couple paid enough to make it worth his while ...

I also heard that the Queen Mother's objections to Wallis Simpson were because she'd actually wanted David for herself and was most put out that Wallis got him.

I thought the issue with Edward and Mrs Simpson's marriage and the monarchy was that the monarch is the head of the Coe and the Code didn't (at the time) recognise divorce.

Therefore in the eyes of the church Edward wouldn't be married to Wallis (in the view of the church) because she was previously, therefore still, married to someone else.

CofE*

You're right, FATEdestiny - though I suspect the general objections to Mrs Simpson went deeper than that. Even her American status shouldn't have mattered, since the likes of Nancy Astor and Emerald Cunard were pretty "up there" in society at the time

I reckon it's more likely that she was just considered personally obnoxious ... oh, and pro-nazi of course, which may well mean we had a lucky escape when she left with the equally pro-nazi king

Can we please lay thread two to rest properly? It's seven posts short of the thousand and the messiness is making me twitchy

I think of her time Wallis was probably pretty hated by a lot of people in that set. Divorced already, plus still married it just wouldn't be the done thing to expect a man of a certain class to marry you, especially the King.

I remember my Great-Gran (she lived with us for a while as I was brought up by my grandparents) being outraged when my Aunt mentioned getting married again. Getting divorced was barely acceptable, basically only if your spouse was awful, but marrying again was seen as cheeky and getting above your station. That was only acceptable for widows and widowers because they hadn't made 'bad choices'.

On a personal level she must have known how lifechanging it would be for her little family unit. Even down to non-obvious things like I would put money on there having been an element of pressure put on her and George VI to try and have a son.

I just had a thought about Charles' investiture crown...

You know how a lot of the tiara's and jewels have nicknames like "Granny's tiara" and "Granny's chips" - do you think that one is the Ping Pong Crown"

Thank you @BishopBrennansArse and @lyralalala ! I went a bit Monica Geller for a moment there

do you think that one is the Ping Pong Crown"

It should be

Like I said, it feels emblematic if all the flummery, somehow

Divorce very rarely favoured the (ex) wife.
Consequently many women found the idea of divorce worrying.

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Checking in.
Wasn't the legal advice regarding C&C's marriage sealed for 100 years? Something like that anyway. Wonder why?!

Reporting for non-royal duty.

I would put money on there having been an element of pressure put on her and George VI to try and have a son

According to Robert Lacey, the Duke of York (later George VI) wrote to his friend and mentor Louis Greig after his wedding night, thus:
“Everything was plain sailing, which was a relief. You know what I mean. I was very good! "

I realise this is a bit indelicate, but if that implied what it appeared to, it may be that he felt he'd "done his bit" once Elizabeth and Margaret were born?

Am pissing myself at “I was very good”. Who’d have thunk that one male would ever say such a thing about himself to another male

I realise this is a bit indelicate, but if that implied what it appeared to, it may be that he felt he'd "done his bit" once Elizabeth and Margaret were born?

That was before he was in line to be King though. So the Duke of York having two girls is perfectly acceptable, but I think in the 1930s they’d have pushed them to have at least one more if they knew there was going to be a monarch amongst his children.