Shock collars have been banned in England

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Shock collars will be banned from February 2024 in England.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-electric-collar-ban-b2329041.html

If you think you have a dog capable of that behaviour it should be muzzled and on a lead / collar/ harness that it has no chance of escaping . Why are you so seemingly proud of owning a dangerous dog as that’s seriously weird . I also wouldn’t expect you to use a biscuit of any kind , if I want my dog to stop I tell him to stop , perhaps try training your dog .

Well I guess either way we would be discussing this in court....

E collars

and

a dog dangerously out of control will be breaking the law.

Just out of interest though do you zap, sorry ecollar language is stim your dog everytime they walk past anyone?

I can recommend a fab behaviourist which can really help you if that is the case

If your dog is that aggressive and reactive, it should be wearing an escape-proof harness and a muzzle, and you should be using a double ended lead (one end on his collar and one on his harness) for added security.

Using a shock collar on a dog who is already aggressing is only going to make the situation ten times worse

I said ‘if’
But how tight would you like the collar to be? Unbreathable?

Just inescapable. A normal leather buckle collar would do.

And if your "aggressive dog attacked me as I walked past" I would be reporting you to the police for having a dangerously out of control dog, and hopefully he'd be taken off you and PTS.

Clearly you’ve never had a reactive dog.
Muzzles cause unnecessary stress.
A harness is a tool which encourages pulling.
The underlying argument remains that people with reactive dogs will not follow certain preventative measures and as a result members of the public will get hurt through lack of control.
Then what?

Exactly you’d rather have a dog killed than punished.

Ageing myself but in 40+ years of dog ownership and working professionally with dogs I have never ever had a dog

slip their collar
lead break
or escape from a harness

Risk assess the situation and use appropriate leads and collars/harnesses for the dog in front of you.

I often work with aggressive dogs and dogs needing rehabilitation and again in this situation breakages has just not been an issue.

However I had been observing an ecollar training session where the ecollar skim button got stuck on and the dog had a constant zap for over a minute whilst the trainer struggled to get the battery out of the remote control.......

Thats down to the unit, not the tool itself

You'd assume wrong.

A dog who is properly trained to wear a muzzle won't find it stressful - it can take weeks to properly desensitise them and for them to see it as a positive thing.

Using an eCollar doesn't mean you have control of your dog.

You’d rather have the dog taken and killed then? Opposed to punished?

Correct.

A dog that is dangerous to people should be PTS if it's owner cannot manage it correctly, and the owner should be punished for not having control over a dangerous animal.

Yes. If the owner cannot control it without using electric shocks, they don't deserve to own it in the first place.

If you don't want your dog taken off you, either train it and control it, or give it someone who can. You have no "right" to keep an aggressive and out of control dog.

or you could try training

Can you get collars that are vibrate only? No shocking. I don't have any e collar experience but I know they are sometimes used for training deaf dogs

So in order to desensitise them, they’d have to go through stress no? Psychologically damaging exposure?

so you can say the same about the "tool" of the lead and collar

I’ve had more than one reactive dog... muzzles don’t cause stress if introduced properly, I muzzle train any dog that’s with me reactive or not and harnesses do not encourage pulling.

if that’s the sort of advice you’ve been getting, then, honestly, you want to go to someone qualified in behaviour.

Your vet would be able to refer you to a qualified behaviourist (unfortunately it’s not a protected title so anyone can call themselves one) or a vet specialising in behaviour.

And if they cant be trained through ‘positive’ only means? Then what?

Aggressive dogs should be PTS. Inadequate owners should be banned from keeping animals they are incapable of training.

You clearly know absolutely nothing about positive desensitisation.

My dog has been muzzle-trained since he was a puppy and he never once experienced any stress. We used lots of yummy food and positive praise so he saw the muzzle as a great thing to have on - in his case, because it meant peanut butter and lots of his favourite treats.

IMO every single dog should be muzzle trained in case of emergency.

I've never once met a dog who didn't respond to positive training.

You can get collars that have shock yes.
It’s not just electric blasting, there’s carious levels. There’s vibration. Theres also some with sound.

So you know what biscuit works best then?

You don't need to use any of them on any dog. There's no excuse for it. We're not in the 1980's anymore.