TIP TOE - sun/mon ch4 9pm - TV PACE NO SPOILERS

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Episodes 1 and 2 will air on Sunday, May 31 and Monday, June 1. The rest of the series continues next week on Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays.

The story follows two next-door neighbors in Manchester over the course of an escalating neighborhood dispute:
• Leo (Alan Cumming): A gay man who runs a bar on the famous Canal Street in Manchester's Gay Village.
• Clive (David Morrissey): An electrician with two teenage sons who harbors underlying prejudices.

The situation spirals out of control when Leo locks himself out of his house and has to ask his neighbor for a spare key.

This single event triggers a collision of worlds, unearthing mistrust and bigotry, which is further complicated when Leo strikes up a friendship with one of Clive's sons—who happens to be secretly gay.

The five-part drama will follow Leo and Clive who live next door to each other in Manchester. Leo runs a bar on Canal Street, while Clive is an electrician, with two teenage sons. But just as life should be settling down, the world around them is growing more tense.

According to the official synopsis, "Words become weapons, opinions become radicalised, and gradually, two neighbours become deadly enemies in a tense, suburban thriller which challenges everything we consider to be safe."

•	Alan Cumming as Leo
•	David Morrissey as Clive
•	Pooky Quesnel as Marie, Clive’s wife
•	Jackson Connor as George, Clive’s son
•	Joseph Evans as Saul, Clive’s son
•	Elizabeth Berrington as Stephanie, Leo’s best friend
•	Iz Hesketh as Zee
•	Shakeel Kimotho as Hanna
•	Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Judy
•	Paul Rhys as Melba
•	Charlie Condou as Curtis, Leo’s ex-husband
•	Denise Welch as Diane

The bit that has me baffled is why Clive sat down to watch the drag queen on his phone with his hand down his pants.

Was he perhaps struggling with his own suppressed sexual desires? 🤔

Denise Welch did come onto him. I suppose he felt flattered or wanted to see if he could start an affair , but realized that he just couldn’t do it. Then to tell her about the caravan park and so on. He probably just wanted someone to listen to him and she was available.

I wondered if the lack of sex with the two potential affair partners and the silent, passionless sex with his wife were other indicators that he maybe wasn't attracted to women. Or maybe just included so the viewer couldn't conclude definitively one way or the other.

The passionless sex with his wife was pretty bleak!

Not sure why he even bothered with his wife or her with him. After the passionless sex scene she admitted they should split up. They should have done really.
She did have similar views to him , so they were not totally incompatible but clearly the actual marriage had run out of steam completely.

I agree with this. I couldn't believe that Leo would have gone next door and stayed for so long with that mob acting how they there. And when outside, if he had yelled for help surely some people in the residential street would have tried to intervene. But I guess that wasn't the ending RTD wanted.

I didn't mean to be, I just meant ultimately it's not a documentary,he's a story teller so things aren't going to be absolutely spot on.

Of course elements have to be heightened for dramatic purposes, but in this he stretched too many times, so the credibility was shot, by the end.

The NC headphones was a defense the uncle of Sara Sharif tried to use to explain why he’d never intervened when she was being battered by her father. The judge dismissed it as preposterous.

Wow! Interesting.

Despite panning the unbelievable elements of the storytelling, I did find it thought provoking. I keep thinking about Clive saying he was embarrassed by having a weak baby. WTF? That is hyper masculinity off the scale. And also Clive commenting to George about the ‘insolence’ on his face that his mother doesn’t see. What a way to speak to his 16 year old son! So there were great, memorable moments - it just didn’t hang together as a credible and realistic story.

Sorry if this has been said, as I've only watched two episodes and got to page 4 on the thread, but my feeling is that Clive is gay, and simply cannot reconcile his sexuality, so masks it with undue masculine aggression?
So it is him who is hanging, as it's unconscionable, to him, to admit this to himself.

DH and I watched the last episode last night. We thought it was an incredible series; thought-provoking, harrowing and, ultimately, horrifying and sad. Alan Cumming and David Morrisey were excellent and ably supported by a great supporting cast.

How often have we seen that mob behaviour fuelled by drink, drugs and social media. It's on our news screens almost daily. I can't recall a case of lynching on a UK street but who knows what could happen sadly.

it will stay with us both.

There are so many examples of no one intervening and the bystander effect though. No one was walking past, so it would have meant people hearing the noise, choosing to look, choosing to go outside, choosing to confront a group of drunk men who clearly were beyond moral thought. I think it's clear to see how no one would step in.
Presumaby the witness neighbour called the police as well as Zee.

Exactly, it’s the Kitty Genovese effect. The one thing I did think was perhaps a little far-fetched was the time it took the police to arrive. It seemed to take ages, although that was mainly as the events onscreen were so horrific it had the effect of slowing time for the viewer.

Not quite the Kitty Genovese effect. This took place in a suburban street, in broad daylight, in a densely populated city. A community. There would have been people relaxing, working from home. If RTD was a better writer, several people would have witnessed the murder, coming out of their houses shouting, although perhaps not trying to physically stop the mob.

I met my wife in 2016. We live in London and felt perfectly fine holding hands in public ,
on trains, walking through the city.

Fast forward 10 years and neither of us feel safe doing that anymore. We are so much more careful in public situations and don’t have any public displays of affection that would have felt natural and ok 10 years ago. We might link arms when walking - but that feels ok because it’s something that friends could do.

we live in a nice area where people know we’re a couple - it’s more the unknown people we feel we have to be careful around (including unfortunately being selective at work at times on who we are out to)

so this show really did resonate with me - and having to ‘tip toe’ really is a thing for so many people (sexuality / gender / race / religion) now. I continue to be hopeful that things will start to change for the better again.

Watched this through to the end and it was a good drama, with great performances. But the exaggerated and completely unbelievable ending, as others have said, left me cold. On a sidenote, I wish this trend for showing the end at the beginning of books and dramas would stop as I don't get what it's trying to achieve as it serves mainly to dampen down any tension afaic.

@Maxapple I’m sorry you feel you have to tiptoe

Sorry to hear this.
My DD is gay and said the show made her angry and sad (more than it did me as she has heard a lot of the slurs). I’m not sure if she’s held hands w gfs when out.

We are Jewish and I appreciate what you say at the end re a lot of people needing to tip toe now. i certainly don’t advertise that I’m Jewish to the general public, even though I live in a Jewish area. Online it’s a cesspit.

I particularly thought the line about LGBTQ coming in to the open, but now it is, some sections of society want it back in the closet.

The neighbour did try and say something and one of the blokes threw something at her and told her to go back in. If you saw that happening outside your window I can understand the reluctance of others to get involved. It doesn't make it right, but is understandable. I know that my naturally headstrong nature would make me want to rush out and try to do something but DH would be holding me back because he would see the situation very differently.

We used to live on an estate where it was so quiet during the day. You literally did see no-one so to me that aspect didn't seem so far fetched.

I thought it was an accurate portrayal of how scared some people in our society are now.

I know he was drunk, but I couldn’t fathom Leo going next door to talk to Clive when he knew Clive had a houseful of men and had been drinking heavily. It really didn’t make sense.

Overall I found it incredibly sad rather than shocking.