TIP TOE - sun/mon ch4 9pm - TV PACE NO SPOILERS

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Episodes 1 and 2 will air on Sunday, May 31 and Monday, June 1. The rest of the series continues next week on Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays.

The story follows two next-door neighbors in Manchester over the course of an escalating neighborhood dispute:
• Leo (Alan Cumming): A gay man who runs a bar on the famous Canal Street in Manchester's Gay Village.
• Clive (David Morrissey): An electrician with two teenage sons who harbors underlying prejudices.

The situation spirals out of control when Leo locks himself out of his house and has to ask his neighbor for a spare key.

This single event triggers a collision of worlds, unearthing mistrust and bigotry, which is further complicated when Leo strikes up a friendship with one of Clive's sons—who happens to be secretly gay.

The five-part drama will follow Leo and Clive who live next door to each other in Manchester. Leo runs a bar on Canal Street, while Clive is an electrician, with two teenage sons. But just as life should be settling down, the world around them is growing more tense.

According to the official synopsis, "Words become weapons, opinions become radicalised, and gradually, two neighbours become deadly enemies in a tense, suburban thriller which challenges everything we consider to be safe."

•	Alan Cumming as Leo
•	David Morrissey as Clive
•	Pooky Quesnel as Marie, Clive’s wife
•	Jackson Connor as George, Clive’s son
•	Joseph Evans as Saul, Clive’s son
•	Elizabeth Berrington as Stephanie, Leo’s best friend
•	Iz Hesketh as Zee
•	Shakeel Kimotho as Hanna
•	Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Judy
•	Paul Rhys as Melba
•	Charlie Condou as Curtis, Leo’s ex-husband
•	Denise Welch as Diane

It was a great drama, but what were the hints that Clive was gay himself? I missed that and didn't get that vibe from home. I know he was watching a video of the drag queen and nearly masturbated, but that seemed more like confusion because they looked liked a woman

There were no hints that Clive was gay, from what I saw.

I didn't read it as confusion. Maybe it was left deliberately open to interpretation.

George will end up just like his dad. There were glimpses of it when he was nasty to Zee and his forced masculinity when he was putting down Roddy and revelling in the attention it gave him.

I thought it was disappointing.

I thought Clive was gay and horrendously jealous that he couldn’t come out.

Other than that they were all flat, unbelievably characters so was bored by E2.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/04/drag-queen-chasers-why-some-straight-men-are-attracted-to-boys-in-wigs.html

I think anyone who behaves like Clive is quite often unsure of their sexuality, they are afraid of being exposed so do everything that can to deflect.

I binged watched the whole lot tonight. Wow, that was a tough watch, as you can see exactly how that could play out true to life.
It put me in mind of the film Eden Lake, that true horror, and bigotry can actually live next door.

on a more positive note, for those thinking David Morrisey is typecast in the moody psycho role, you should watch Daddy Issues with the amazing Amy Lou Wood, he’s brilliant in a comic role too!

Recap e5

https://reelmockery.com/tip-toe-series-1-episode-5-finale-recap/

The ending. Another recap

https://www.tvguide.co.uk/articles/tip-toe-ending-explained-channel-4/

I wonder whether they meant for Leo to die or just to scare him. Roddy wound the cable around a car tow bar so when Clive said 'ler him down', I think, he dropped a few feet and his neck broke. If Roddy hadn't tied the cable Leo would have dropped to the ground, maybe survived. Roddy got a life sentence so was deemed more responsible.

I don't agree, some people are just hate certain groups of people due to discrimination and long standing views. It's the same as people hating asylum seekers. What were the specific hints he was gay?

You could be right. I thought Clive was angry because he was suppressing his true feelings.

I think Clive was angry because he didn't understand, or want to understand, anyone different from himself rather than him being gay. He wasn't accepting or tolerant of others which is the way society is going. Clive sitting in the gay bar observing was brilliant acting from DM as it was all facial expressions and no words spoken. He was curious, disgusted and frightened all at the same time.

It's interesting that the mob's choice of 'execution' was by lynching. It's like the lynchings of black people in the USA in the19th and early 20th C America as a means of social control.

I'm guessing in the trial they portrayed Leo as a paedophile as he wasn't there to defend himself and they would have had the text messages to George and his computer history of Saul's videos. Although the 'convicted paedophile' label under a search of Leo's name is most definitely fake news based on the trial and rumours as they can't have convicted him because he's dead.

Difficult to sleep last night digesting this brilliant drama.

Well, I only saw part of tonight's episode (interrupted by my teenagers).

The ending, which I haven't yet seen, sounds horrific. However, having grown up in a rough part of London, at times with dodgy neighbours, with different values to us, I would go to great pains to avoid contact with said dodgy neighbours, would not trust them with a key, and would not turn up on their doorstep unannounced, without a very good reason indeed.

As far as dealing with a shy teenager coming to terms with their sexuality is concerned, I certainly wouldn't have barrelled up to a potentially abusive parent (while said parent clearly is busy with a party of some sort going on) to discuss.

So some of this is about the idea that not everyone is on the page regarding the LGBT+++ agenda, some of it is about the violent undercurrent of unrest within our society right now, some of it is about the need to tiptoe around difficult people.

Thinking that you don't need or shouldn't need to tiptoe, that seems to be a very privileged situation to me. I feel like I have spent my whole life tiptoeing, one way or another (even though many people would think I am privileged myself in some ways).

What a shame @WhisperingAngelisnotbad that despite watching almost the entire series you are picking holes in the wrong person’s behaviour and choices.

I don’t accept we should tiptoe in life, especially when it comes to being part of a minority group, or because of one’s sexuality. Although as a straight, white, middle class woman suggesting my type of tiptoeing is similar to that of someone from a different background is to completely miss the point.

Thats the beauty of rtd writing, his characters are always wildly flawed.

Clive is an awful man, but a brief flash of a good heart, he was poisoned

Iz was 25, she should never have found george. She got involved with the best of intentions when she shouldng have

Leos old friend. She gives him her acceptance but to a point. But she loves him

Whod have thought saul woulx be thd most fundamentally decent character. Naive yes, but a good man. Loves his brother. Im thrilled he got the good ending. A good man.

Leo made awful decisions, acted in a way you or i wouldnt but he acted in the best way he thought at the time but the last credit re his story changing bears out why he didnt ring the police.

but do let me know what it is he did that warranted stringing up

It is interesting that quite a few people have drawn this conclusion even though as far as I can see there is no evidence to support Clive being gay.

I wonder if somehow Clive being gay is a more palatable assumption than accepting that some ‘ordinary’ people have enormous issues with accepting anyone different to themselves. Enormous enough to see them as objects of hate, and ‘lesser humans’. IMO that’s the central message and the crux of so many issues in society.

Exactly

My nephew backs ghe 2012-2019 theory, he says for that time it felt like the world was really on his side.

Pride, holding hands, just told people as bau

Now he says hes seen a shift. He doesnf hold his boyfriends hand anymore, his friends feel comfortabld saying things like "yeah but you gays", his friend is a local conselloe and has been smeared as a paedo. It sticks bevause now people are comfortavle saying gay = paedo.

Why i cried is he had a brief shining moment of acceptance.

And its gone

Now hes realising it was always at a cost

I don't think Leo or anyone should have to tip toe through life but unfortunately society is becoming so intolerant of everyone that it is sometimes seen the wise choice. Even Steph pointed out to Leo that he should stop being confrontational and thinking he's better than Clive and just move away. Sadly for Leo he thought he was getting through to Clive, even said they get on despite their differing views.

It is definitely thought provoking about whether we are all free to be completely who we want to be. I don't think any of the characters were apart from Leo and that ended so badly for him.

And a lot of people wonder why we still need Pride 😔

To see the realisation in his eyes is breaking my heart

It was only ever conditional, and he feels a fool for ever believing otherwise

I was transfixed all through .However I found the last episode disappointing .I felt Clive would not do this .He was civil to Leo although uncomfortable with his sexuality .It was very good though ,just felt the ending didnt ring true somehow