TIP TOE - sun/mon ch4 9pm - TV PACE NO SPOILERS

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Episodes 1 and 2 will air on Sunday, May 31 and Monday, June 1. The rest of the series continues next week on Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays.

The story follows two next-door neighbors in Manchester over the course of an escalating neighborhood dispute:
• Leo (Alan Cumming): A gay man who runs a bar on the famous Canal Street in Manchester's Gay Village.
• Clive (David Morrissey): An electrician with two teenage sons who harbors underlying prejudices.

The situation spirals out of control when Leo locks himself out of his house and has to ask his neighbor for a spare key.

This single event triggers a collision of worlds, unearthing mistrust and bigotry, which is further complicated when Leo strikes up a friendship with one of Clive's sons—who happens to be secretly gay.

The five-part drama will follow Leo and Clive who live next door to each other in Manchester. Leo runs a bar on Canal Street, while Clive is an electrician, with two teenage sons. But just as life should be settling down, the world around them is growing more tense.

According to the official synopsis, "Words become weapons, opinions become radicalised, and gradually, two neighbours become deadly enemies in a tense, suburban thriller which challenges everything we consider to be safe."

•	Alan Cumming as Leo
•	David Morrissey as Clive
•	Pooky Quesnel as Marie, Clive’s wife
•	Jackson Connor as George, Clive’s son
•	Joseph Evans as Saul, Clive’s son
•	Elizabeth Berrington as Stephanie, Leo’s best friend
•	Iz Hesketh as Zee
•	Shakeel Kimotho as Hanna
•	Luyanda Unati Lewis-Nyawo as Judy
•	Paul Rhys as Melba
•	Charlie Condou as Curtis, Leo’s ex-husband
•	Denise Welch as Diane

So it’s 10pm. My thoughts

I thought I would take notes while watching incase I find it too much

I'm amazed that Clive is ok with his eldest sons all round making gay jokes and taking the piss watching footie but being lads 🙄

And then fake shagging George

Clive making out he's one of the lads

Poor zee. Looking out for George and he's a sod to her

Why on earth did Leo go next door knowing lots of pissed football men there ?

Literally going into the lions den

Oh God he hasn't his phone - it's gonna get passed around

And that man - he's scared Leo will say something as guessing the football lot don't know he's gay

My phone would lock after 10 seconds I think - obv Leo's doesn't

George doesn't help him self by saying that about Rodney being hard

Make up. Singing. Red robin

HIV

Oh wow. It's taken a turn. I can see now how this will end 🙀😢

Oh it is Clive's fault. He did start it

Who has posted all this to the work camera /site?

Sure the teacher won't be impressed he's online on this magic cam

I like the but at the end. I thought maybe was done on a true story but it isn't

But agree something like this can easily happen in this world today sadly

It was wonderfully written and acted and the graphic scenes - wow.

As I said it took me back to when I found dh tho tmi but he did a noose rather then wound round his neck but while watching today I found it really hard going

I'm sure there has been similar deaths to gay people and literally lynched for their sexuality so watching it was chilling

As usual Russels writing was superb. All his stuff is tbh

it may have been a bit agitprop at times, but do you really think men like Clive don’t exist?? I can think of at least 5 similarly thinking acquaintances of my parents’ generation who would absolutely have acted like this.

at times the storytelling was a bit contrived to move the plot along, but the believability of the whole scenario is what makes it so terrifying.

Yes - that’s another thing that didn’t ring true. Why doesn’t Leo leave the house to go to his own home next door, in the final episode?

I can't compose my thoughts in an articulate way yet. But had to make sure I didn't switch to the news as have zero tolerance for male violence and rioting.

One of the most disturbing scenes on TV. My heart is still racing. Watch WDYTYA as a come down.

Leo was trying to get his phone back. He wanted to leave , but Clive was making it hard and he just wanted his phone back.

I believe there are plenty if men who’re homophobic, but this is RTD’s writing and he lays it on too thickly as usual.

Not sure I’ve ever watched something so disturbing, I actually felt ‘swimmy’/faint for the last few minutes. Horrific, absolutely terrifying.

Loads of men are homophobic and George denying his sexuality rang true. He knew that his parents wouldn’t have understood how he felt.

Russell T Davis, I feel,sadly,is writing what he and his friends are encountering or have encountered at some point.

I didn’t quite understand the bit at the end where it said doing a search online for ‘Leo Struthers’ name turns up convicted pedophile. Was that a comment on vile misinformation/ hate online? It was a recurring theme throughout but I wasn’t sure on what that actually meant.

I'm wondering how our reactions to it would differ if we didn't know how it ended right from the start?

Clive was a useless dad. Always took the weak option. That bullying shit who was in his house - why didn't he tell him to shut it or sling his hook? Weak. Could never defend his son - weak

God, I'm going to be thinking about this for ages. Loads of flaws, of course. Leo would not shut his mouth when it would be better to not say anything. But they discussed his snobbery and sneering.

But an amazing drama.

I think so, yes, about fake news and nothing online being reliable.

Same. Still feel full of cortisol now. Horrific because you can imagine it happening with male mobs.

Yes the online search results are because people twisted the facts to justify the murder and that’s what you could find as the online version 18 months later.

I think there were a lot of unbelievable bits that had to be there to ramp up the tension for the ending. I think the mob were too organised for a drunken rabble who hadn’t planned it and it was unrealistic how easily they did it but also it was pointing out how this was done in broad daylight with little opposition which I guess was making a wider point about current attitudes to homophobia.

I could see the way it was going, found it very didactic and enjoyed myself finding out about Joe Swash’s ancestry a lot more than I thought I would.

That confused me too 😮

Ohhhhh that makes sense.

I agree, there wasn’t a single female character who wasn’t just a prop for a man, and Clive was not well written. Yes there are lots of angry, homophobic, conspiracy theory believing men out there, but most people recognise them as such and would take part in a lynching on his say-so, men like Clive kill women and children, not other men.

And the part about his desktop not locking if the email is open was just silly.

Gosh that was powerful.

Really disappointing especially when we know what RTD is capable of, It’s a Sin is beautiful storytelling.

Am I the only one who thought going from the search results appearing as Clive convinced peadophile to a flashback two years ago was going to be a reveal than 2 years before he’d been convicted. Really confused me for a awhile.

I was hooked ,I love RTD's writing he lays it in thick to get the point across. I wish there hadn't been fore shadowing as I think it would've been even more powerful without it.

There didn't seem to be any explanation for why Clive is so vile. Money troubles, he's unpopular in the work circles he mixes in, his marriage is a wreck but where does that visceral hate come from? Leo hinted at the end that Clive was gay, is that a clue? The ending was just unbelievable. Drunk lads suddenly happy to join in a lynching, no dissenters? For me the message got lost in the melodrama. Great acting though.

It was certainly thought provoking. I don't think realistic but heightened as a kind of conceptual drama I suppose.

I found it interesting that the female friend said what I was thinking in ep1. That women are ignored a lot in this!

She was like some Greek chorus... Spelling out the dangers and warning all the way through but, as I can relate to, ignored.

I thought it was a very interesting look at masculinity. Not just the obvious toxic masculinity but what it means to be a gay man or a transgender woman (male to female). They were all male behaviours at play, as the female friend pointed out. How can they coexist?

Thought it was fascinating that the friend said something about women understanding the danger from men and not being confrontational to keep safe. Can't remember the exact episode now but she kind of just raised her eyebrows at Leo and the penny dropped for him.

I agree about zee/Flo acting without thinking. It was all drama and they were all getting in George's business when they didn't need to, trying to help. I recognise this in youngsters.

All the awful porn culture and online culture and everything colliding but the struggle to actually communicate. Poor Leo really wanted to try and there were those moments when he could almost talk to Clive and connect which gave him false sense of security.

Melba was a great character. Another kind of Cassandra voice.

It has stayed with me all week like others have said.

Absolutely devastating. What is so scary for me being the parent of a gay child is that men like Clive exist on every street in every town. I found Clive absolutely terrifying. A so called normal man next door. Completely prepared to sacrifice his sons just to look masculine in front of a mob. It was all the little things in his life over the years that added up to him being a raging boiling pot.

And why did they even socialise with those men when it was obvious nobody liked anyone else and it was all getting one over on someone else.

I agree with the words Leo spoke at the end about the gays being hated when they were hidden but now when they are out and proud the hate is even worse.

The acting in this was amazing. I've always loved David Morrisey in everything he does and he didn't disappoint.

I assumed Clive's dad/parents had been the same. We got hints he was gay but had never felt he could be out. So he didn't know how to parent a gay child. You just ignored it or mocked it.

And then, like most of us, is too online but he's been sucked into conspiracy theories and the manosphere and male resentment. It was well done because there were points were you could really sympathise. Like when the shit at the party said anyone could rewire a house after watching a few videos on YouTube. There was that deflated look and yet he's doing exactly the same thing. So a complex character.

Saul was the most well-balanced in the end.